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Thread: Official: GM Wyrom on Player Population and Silver Economy

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    Default Official: GM Wyrom on Player Population and Silver Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by GM Wyrom
    >>[As an aside, I hope you guys look at growth in terms of new subscriptions or independent IP addresses and not new F2P accounts - too many people have F2P armies that overinflate the number of active players IMO)

    >>That makes me very happy - I am one of those people who would love to see >1000 players online again.

    The numbers I speak about are only our paid subscriptions. We actually closed August up 3% from July. That puts us up 17% in the last 12 months and 28% since the beginning of 2015. We have more accounts today than we did in January of 2011. We're about neck and neck with numbers 10 years ago.

    F2P accounts are tracked separately, and yes I know who's generally tied to whom.

    When I mentioned we were at 700 the other night, I know some chatter was saying most of them were F2P. This isn't accurate. The raffle caused a surge in logins, but it blocked F2P users, and the F2P users on at that time were about the same as they are all the time (about 10% of online users). Without raffles and such going on, we been hitting low to mid 600s every week lately. This is up from 350 just 3 years ago.

    Keep in mind, the average user only plays about 80 minutes a day. It's likely a lot less than that, because I'm not tracking median and all the 24/7 accounts screw that number up. That 80 minutes does exclude people in less than 5 minutes a day though (since I wanted to isolate LOGIN REWARDS and people just checking quick things).

    >>Silvers

    I know I'm being quoted about silver production a lot, with figures of about 2 billion a month. The actual number is about 18 billion a year, and that's including heavy farming sessions. The number does go up every year though, because more people are more efficient at gathering silvers. We have heavier months (usually months that don't contain a pay event), so at a glance and without combing the numbers, it looked like about 2 billion a month, when the reality is closer to 1.5 billion a month (still a lot).

    I also mentioned that if we look at December 2016 when the auctions were launched, we've drained more silver than produced. This means I'm looking at December 16th as a day where silver production is considered 0. This was using the first batch of booklets for sale for silver. The second batch wiped out, collectively, another billion. Most people aren't insanely wealthy, and the insanely wealthy aren't the ones buying the booklets. This means we removed a collective amount of wealth in game.

    Another facet in all this is a lot of silvers are removed on a daily basis. People use silver-based services like the NPC locksmith or town merchants. You might go, Wyrom, it can't be THAT much. Well in the last weeks, town merchants (like the armory or the grocer) drained 67101622 silver.

    You also have to recognize that more people can make silver these days than 10 years ago. More people can buy the things they want directly instead of through the secondary market. We offer more services and items in larger quantities these days as well. Rarer services are also more available. So In the past, Player A might have been a supplier to Player X, Y, and Z. But now Players X, Y, and Z do things on their own, because they either got more efficient at self-sustaining their needs or decided being wealthy is a new core competency for their gaming. There is also the fact that they might have most the items they want now. Some people at the top of the food chain will say something like, "I only look for interesting/utility items now."

    This doesn't mean we aren't listening. Just painting a picture of some of the other areas you might not be thinking about. The weighting/padding update was something in the works for years. I know someone mentioned that they felt that was a response to this thread. That's not the case for this at least.

    I think a lot of this tailspin started with Ebon Gate announcements, which now that Duskruin is technically over, I can announce some of that information. I'll do that in the next day or so.



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    The tailspin started when Simu got in on selling silvers for cash.

    I'd be curious to know how much silver was added to the economy just through those cubes at the Spire. I'd also imagine that all of the arena/sewer junk that people pawn also pumps a good bit of silver into the game.

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    He's going to soften on EG, from the tone of that post he's smelling backlash. If EG turns into a giant gambling casino like the other events.. it's over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comodus View Post
    He's going to soften on EG, from the tone of that post he's smelling backlash. If EG turns into a giant gambling casino like the other events.. it's over.
    This.

    If you slot machine addicts want GS to not get super gay really quick, stay the fuck away from the EG shovels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Methais View Post
    This.

    If you slot machine addicts want GS to not get super gay really quick, stay the fuck away from the EG shovels.
    you're responding to macgyver but you are correct. Gayness is on an upswing lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrathbringer View Post
    you're responding to macgyver but you are correct. Gayness is on an upswing lately.
    Once in a while he'll say something that's not stupid as fuck. This is one of those instances.

    Also, I'm looking for interesting/utility items. Preferably really expensive ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Methais View Post
    If you slot machine addicts want GS to not get super gay really quick, stay the fuck away from the EG shovels.
    I have to admit that I am one of the players addicted to digging. I've pulled a few nice prizes over the years, but that just fueled the addiction. The last 3 years I've done almost nothing but dig. I am setting a limit on my digging time this year - there's other stuff to do.

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    I never dig.

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    Another facet in all this is a lot of silvers are removed on a daily basis. People use silver-based services like the NPC locksmith or town merchants. You might go, Wyrom, it can't be THAT much. Well in the last weeks, town merchants (like the armory or the grocer) drained 67101622 silver.
    Who the hell is spending 67 million on camouflage vultite broadswords and rolton sandwiches?
    Last edited by Taernath; 09-01-2017 at 07:22 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taernath View Post
    Who the hell is spending 67 million on camouflage vultite broadswords and rolton sandwiches?
    Stealthy bitches gotta eat. I don't think camouflage is an option anymore though.

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