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Last edited by Methais; 03-05-2019 at 11:48 AM.
I absolutely answered your question:
I gave you 5 different examples of Trump pushing for things that were actively on Putin's top 5 list of priorities that also happened to damage the US. You should try engaging with the information- that's what a political discussion is for.Which Trump administration policies specifically do you feel were dictated by Russia? There's very clearly a Russian agent at the helm, right?
And you have completely disregarded the two core questions in my post:
1) WHO would put Trump in jail? The people investigating him are bound by DoJ guidelines which state that a sitting US President cannot be prosecuted for violations in Federal criminal law. They *cannot* put him in jail. But they *can* issue sealed indictments. And they may very well have. But ultimately, no one would even try to put the top guy in the investigation in jail until the investigation is finished and the full case is prepared. Your "he would be in jail if there were a lot of evidence against him" point is not only factually incorrect, it's just hollow.
2) You still have not provided a single alternative explanation for this:
In fact, none of you have. The sheer lengths you are going to in order to avoid having to actually answer a VERY simple question are astounding, albeit not surprising. There is no reasonable alternative explanation for the facts above. You know it as well as I.Trump was lying about a $300m Moscow real estate deal that was going on during the campaign, and that deal included a $50m bribe to Putin personally while Russia was actively working to get Trump elected (which Trump was trying to hide from the American people), and Trump was actively working to give Putin all of his major foreign policy objectives.
Please explain to the class how all of these things are totally unrelated to each other, and how this doesn't look exactly like what collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia would look like
And THAT is the reason why Trump is still in office. It's people like you who have been gorging on a diet of conservative misinformation and who refuse to actually deal with the facts of the situation. You've hamstrung your Representatives, and they're forced to play cover for someone they know is a criminal and a traitor in order to keep their jobs.
Good work.
No. The reason Trump is still in office, despite being a huge asshole that continually costs me money, is because the smoking gun you keep claiming IS RIGHT THERE JUST OPEN YOUR EYES, does not exist. The sky has not fallen. There are no Russian sleeper agents running the country.
You are exactly as bad as the people who frothed at the mouth for 8 years demanding Obama's birth certificate.
Obama did not send his Kenyan stormtroopers into every home to take all the guns. Trump has not rounded up all the immigrants into gas chambers or sold the country to the Ruskies.
It's just a pendulum swinging one way and then the other so we can identify the loonies on both ends of the political spectrum (that's you, if you weren't sure). You will not be engaged in political discussion because you are incapable of it. Nobody even looks at you as a person. You're just a bot spouting political diarrhea all over the internet.
Last edited by Stumplicker; 03-05-2019 at 12:03 PM.
Wow. You utterly refuse to engage with the facts. You accused me of not having answered your question- though I answered it quite directly.
You were asked to answer my question in return, and despite being asked several times you can't even acknowledge the information.
I will ask you again:
Trump was lying about a $300m Moscow real estate deal that was going on during the campaign, and that deal included a $50m bribe to Putin personally while Russia was actively working to get Trump elected (which Trump was trying to hide from the American people), and Trump was actively working to give Putin all of his major foreign policy objectives.
Please explain to the class how all of these things are totally unrelated to each other, and how this doesn't look exactly like what collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia would look like
If you cannot come up with an answer to that question- if you can't even bring yourself to consider a question that is this critical to our sovereignty as a nation...then you're literally pulling wool over your own eyes. It's a tacit admission that you know that Trump made a deal with Putin.
You're selling our country out for a wall. You want to find some loonies? Go find a mirror.
Last edited by time4fun; 03-05-2019 at 04:08 PM.
Last edited by Methais; 03-05-2019 at 04:29 PM.
Oh Mueller has plenty- on obstruction alone.
But here's the situation- in the movies there's always some piece of paper or email somewhere that says "Dear horrible criminal person, I hereby promise to help you commit crimes in exchange for money". The thick-headed conservative gremlins here have decided that unless they see a piece of paper with Putin's signature, Trump's signature, and the phrase "I will collude with you"- Trump is innocent.
In reality- there are lots of ways to prove these things that don't rely on the family turning on each other to testify or the kind of note a 6th grader would leave if they were committing a crime. The flow of money, the contact with Russian military intelligence, the lies, the willingness to accept the help of an enemy nation, etc. And Mueller's team has some of the best prosecutors in the country. Having said that- Mueller probably can't indict Trump (or, at least, prosecute). Waiting for a Federal criminal indictment as proof that Mueller has enough on Trump is pointless. It's absence doesn't denote anything, either way.
Having said that, Mueller DOES have quite a bit on Trump, and we know that because there's quite a bit on this in the public domain. What Trump is currently benefiting from is the consequence of the long, slow burn of this all. There's so much damming evidence that it's A) hard to keep track of and B) easy to become desensitized to.
We already know the campaign readily took meetings with the Russian government to get campaign aid, and that they repeatedly lied about it.
We already know that Trump had a major business deal which literally included a $50m bribe to Putin in it, and that he lied about it.
We already know Trump has repeatedly defended Putin against allegations of election meddling despite having been told by the Russian government that they were, in fact, meddling to help him get elected.
We already know that Trump has worked to give Putin all of his major foreign policy priorities, and that Trump and Putin had several secret meetings while Trump was in office where no staff- aside from a translator- were allowed in (which by the way- does NOT happen. Ever.) And he lied about it.
We already know Trump's campaign manager- who is infamous for helping Russia install a puppet President in Ukraine- volunteered to work on the campaign for free (as a way of paying back a debt to a Russian Oligarch who was HEAVILY involved in the election interference work), and that he was in contact with Russian military Intelligence the whole time. Oh, and that he lied about it.
And we already know that Trump was back-channeling with Wiki Leaks to get updates on email drops before anyone else had them, and he lied about it.
You don't think they have a lot on Trump? Really? You and I both know I could have gone on with another 100 points- all of which lead to one simple conclusion: The Trump campaign coordinated with Russia to throw our election.
Now imagine what's *not* in the public domain and add it to this.