Russia Investigation Heating Up

[cwolff]

WASHINGTON — The special counsel plans to finish by Sept. 1 the investigation into whether President Trump obstructed the Russia inquiry, according to the president’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, who said on Sunday that waiting any longer would risk improperly influencing voters in the midterm elections in November.

That sounds like terrible timing for influencing the midterms but if the report isn't horrible against trump then they will have a couple months to spin it as a win.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/20/u...mid=tw-nytimes

[RichardCranium]

I used to be one and am appalled at what's become of the "Grand Old Party"

I'm just saying if you change "right wing media" to MSM then you have a right wing talking point.

Which means Back has a point.

[cwolff]

I'm just saying if you change "right wing media" to MSM then you have a right wing talking point.

Which means Back has a point.

Ya, I think a lot of folks say that. The idea is predicated on the theory that all journalism is anti-conservative/pro-liberal, therefore pro republican journalism is simply an un-covered perspective. IMO, it's a false equivalency. It's high time for the GOP to stand up for some truth over party.

2016 is a great example. Also; Fake news is much more heavily created and promoted on the right. It's propaganda masquerading as "news". Even Fox's news division struggles to educate their viewers who seem to tune in more for the comfort of being told what they want to hear than actual news.

[RichardCranium]

Ya, I think a lot of folks say that. The idea is predicated on the theory that all journalism is anti-conservative/pro-liberal, therefore pro republican journalism is simply an un-covered perspective. IMO, it's a false equivalency. It's high time for the GOP to stand up for some truth over party.

2016 is a great example. Also; Fake news is much more heavily created and promoted on the right. It's propaganda masquerading as "news". Even Fox's news division struggles to educate their viewers who seem to tune in more for the comfort of being told what they want to hear than actual news.

Yeah, no. What I'm saying is that both sides are sky screaming about the exact same thing. It's always the other sides fault.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah and you're the only one who believes that. But most likely you don't believe there wasn't any collusion. You just like to make liberals mad, right?

Sorry Backtrash, I only deal in facts. Fact is: No evidence of Trump colluding with Russians. The only ones that still hang onto some crazy hope that there is, are liberals who are STILL crying over the election. Like you.

It's disturbing that people like yourself aren't alarmed by Putin's attempts to influence on our country. You do realize he wants America to fail?

You're being easily manipulated by others who want America to fail.. and it's not Putin.

[Parkbandit]

I think the real problem is the forces that pit us against each other. Again, something Putin wants and has been working for. An American nation divided, fighting itself.

America is still an experiment in democracy. There is nothing like it in the history of humankind. Its pretty impressive that it is still going despite everything going against it.

And look who's back to claim the title.

Well done... although you should make these move when time4retarded is on. We could use a good cage match between the two of you.

[cwolff]

Yeah, no. What I'm saying is that both sides are sky screaming about the exact same thing. It's always the other sides fault.

In this Russia investigation case it's the same side fighting itself with Republicans appointed by trump leading the DOJ and republicans leading the investigation and republicans being investigated. trumps does an excellent job of muddying the waters but this is really a republican thing. Dems are certainly hoping for a vigorous investigation and want trump to get fucked, but don't lose sight of the single political party nature of this.

There's way more to this than "both sides". That explanation is too simple and absolves you of responsibility. As an idea it's absolutely killing us. Especially now as we deal with a potus with zero sense of responsibility or appreciation for history. There was a program about McCain on TV last night. We're going to look back and see him as the last of a breed that put party before country. So far, that's a right wing problem. Perhaps it'll spread to the left, but it hasn't yet. Who knows, at some point the left may become as horrible as the right but so far they've not embraced the same type of means to achieve any end.

[Back]

I'm just saying if you change "right wing media" to MSM then you have a right wing talking point.

Which means Back has a point.

You know who else calls real journalists "fake news" and MSM? Putin's Russia. Their loyal news agencies are straight up propaganda machines.

Dude. Think about it for a second. When your government tells you not to believe any independent journalists out there where do you think they expect you to get your information? They (the government) want you to unquestioningly believe everything they tell you. Are you really going to trust politicians over independent journalists?

[Wrathbringer]

You know who else calls real journalists "fake news" and MSM? Putin's Russia. Their loyal news agencies are straight up propaganda machines.

Dude. Think about it for a second. When your government tells you not to believe any independent journalists out there where do you think they expect you to get your information? They (the government) want you to unquestioningly believe everything they tell you. Are you really going to trust politicians over independent journalists?

You're retarded.

[RichardCranium]

There was a program about McCain on TV last night. We're going to look back and see him as the last of a breed that put party before country. So far, that's a right wing problem.

Holy shit. Yeah, we may as well not discuss anything politically anymore.