Russia Investigation Heating Up

[time4fun]

Either way I don't think Judge Amy Berman Jackson is going to have any of this, Manafort is gonna go to prison.

Imminently. He's trying to get his home release vacated- which means he's trying to get him in jail now.

I'm guessing he's suddenly rethinking his stance on fighting this out in Court right about now. There's no way Trump is going to Pardon him for witness tampering.

[cwolff]

The news has been speculating all day what it means that trump seemed to dump on Manafort through twitter today. They figured it meant that Manafort was getting ready to flip but they were just guessing. I suppose it's safe to say trump heard about this and was trying to get ahead of the story.

[cwolff]

Rudy Giuliani denied Monday that the disclosure by Donald Trump's attorneys that the President dictated a crucial statement on the infamous June 2016 Trump Tower meeting -- a reversal from past denials -- constituted a lie, instead claiming it was a routine mistake.

"It was a mistake," Giulani, a lawyer for Trump in the Russia investigation, said on CNN's "Cuomo Prime Time" Monday. "I swear to God, it was a mistake."

Jesus Christ. Can Rudy be any worse at his job?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

[Fortybox]

ROFL- okay so first off. He's acting like a DoJ prosecutor. You know why? Because that's literally what he is.

Maybe you should try googling things before you embarrass yourself in these posts. Unlike you, I've spent quite a lot of time reading cases. But you don't need to have taken classes at a law school or to have gone to grad school to do it. It'll work wonders for helping you get a clue.

As for your ridiculous argument: Mueller has limits. And those limits are dictated by the DoJ- which is well within their authority to do.

Secondly, if you ever bothered to actually read beyond headlines you would know that Rosenstein explicitly authorized Mueller to look into Manafort's money laundering- which he did while working to install a Russian-backed President in the United St- erm sorry, the Ukraine. So it was wholly relevant, and this is a typical tactic in investigations to get a witness to talk. And it's not illegal or unconstitutional- the Courts have weighed in on this time and time again.

And third- if you had actually bothered to read Morrison v Olson, you'd realize that it was actually about the Congressional Special Prosecutor statute that expired in 1999. But it DID hinge on one key limitation: that the AG had the authority to fire the Special Prosecutor. Which, by the way, also applies to 28 CFR section 600.

You're completely blinded by your hatred.

Mueller has become a rogue prosecutor with immense power AND who has not received direct supervision from his boss, like you make it out to be. He is not an inferior officer but quite arguably the most powerful attorney in America right now. Since he has not been appointed by the President nor confirmed by the Senate, his powers are unconstitutional.

Mueller's 4 henchmen basically have dual appointments with Special Assistant US Attorney status. They are not confined to the scope of the special counsel and have the ability to go outside any "confines".

Mueller is a roving US Attorney with broad overreach. He is NOT inferior by any means. There is NOTHING limited in scope, jurisdiction or power about this special council at all.

Anything this guy has done since last year is null and void.

[cwolff]

You're completely blinded by your hatred.

Mueller has become a rogue prosecutor with immense power AND who has not received direct supervision from his boss, like you make it out to be. He is not an inferior officer but quite arguably the most powerful attorney in America right now. Since he has not been appointed by the President nor confirmed by the Senate, his powers are unconstitutional.

Mueller's 4 henchmen basically have dual appointments with Special Assistant US Attorney status. They are not confined to the scope of the special counsel and have the ability to go outside any "confines".

Mueller is a roving US Attorney with broad overreach. He is NOT inferior by any means. There is NOTHING limited in scope, jurisdiction or power about this special council at all.

Anything this guy has done since last year is null and void.

Is this the new talking point? Where did you hear all this? It sounds too out there even for Fox. Mueller was instructed specifically to conduct an investigation including any links between Russia and trumps campaign and any matters that arise or may arise from the investigation. What's he supposed to do if he find criminality? Let it go?

In fact, this is the heading of the document that authorizes the Special Counsel:

APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

[Fortybox]

Is this the new talking point? Where did you hear all this? It sounds too out there even for Fox. Mueller was instructed specifically to conduct an investigation including any links between Russia and trumps campaign and any matters that arise or may arise from the investigation. What's he supposed to do if he find criminality? Let it go?

In fact, this is the heading of the document that authorizes the Special Counsel:

APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

Fixed:

APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING THEY WANT TO DO WITHOUT POTUS APPOINTMENT OR SENATE CONFIRMATION OH AND RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

[time4fun]

You're completely blinded by your hatred.

Mueller has become a rogue prosecutor with immense power AND who has not received direct supervision from his boss, like you make it out to be. He is not an inferior officer but quite arguably the most powerful attorney in America right now.Since he has not been appointed by the President nor confirmed by the Senate, his powers are unconstitutional.

Mueller's 4 henchmen basically have dual appointments with Special Assistant US Attorney status. They are not confined to the scope of the special counsel and have the ability to go outside any "confines".

Mueller is a roving US Attorney with broad overreach. He is NOT inferior by any means. There is NOTHING limited in scope, jurisdiction or power about this special council at all.

Anything this guy has done since last year is null and void.

I'm going to highlight everything in there that's pure opinion in red, the inaccuracies in yellow, and the facts in blue.

Most of that was just opinion, as you can see in the red. The rest blatantly inaccurate:

1) Rosenstein is his boss, and Rosenstein has had to sign off on every avenue of investigation. The DoJ submitted documentation of this to the Court.
2) There are literally hundreds of appointees in the Federal Government who don't require Senate confirmation. And the DoJ statute on appointing the Special Counsel was written BY the Executive Branch. The Executive Branch has the authority to determine how it does the vast majority most of its hiring. (And I already told you that this was affirmed by SCOTUS in US v Nixon, among other cases)
3) Just because a few of his team members have dual appointments doesn't mean they aren't bound by anything. For Mueller's investigation they still need Mueller's approval. For their other other appointments, they're bound by DoJ guidelines, their US Attorney, Rosenstein, and Sessions. And yes, they need approval to do things.


You actually only had one fact- that some members of his team have dual appointments. But your conclusion about what that means is wildly ignorant of how DoJ process works.

And, by the way, NO Prosecutor or investigator who uncovers evidence of a new crime while looking into an old one is going to ignore the new crime. Their job is to enforce the law. Stop acting like it's wildly inappropriate for them to prosecute crimes. That's literally their job. They have an ethical and statutory duty to report evidence of any crimes they uncover while doing their jobs. Trump and his friends don't get special treatment here.

[cwolff]

Fixed:

APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING THEY WANT TO DO WITHOUT POTUS APPOINTMENT OR SENATE CONFIRMATION OH AND RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

Kind of. You're getting closer to the truth. He is charged with investigating the Russian connections and anything else that comes up. This will include things like money laundering, influence peddling, backroom deals etc...I suppose it could even extend to Kushners connections attempting to get his building refinanced and Ivankas precious trademarks. Basically, he is not instructed to turn a blind eye to law breaking. He's actually instructed to follow up on that and even bring charges when warranted.

Why is this so hard to understand? It's not changed from the beginning when trump, Gingrich and every other fucking "conservative" was all happy with Muellers appointment.

[time4fun]

Is this the new talking point? Where did you hear all this? It sounds too out there even for Fox. Mueller was instructed specifically to conduct an investigation including any links between Russia and trumps campaign and any matters that arise or may arise from the investigation. What's he supposed to do if he find criminality? Let it go?

In fact, this is the heading of the document that authorizes the Special Counsel:

APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

This is Sean Hannity/Tucker Carlson garbage I'm sure. Combined with a deep lack of understanding of the issues here.

Everything he's saying is just his interpretation of some baseless argument he's heard thrown his way.

[cwolff]

This is awesome. Want to bet that unidentified person is John Barron or Michael Cohen?

It was someone from Hapsburg. I'm pretty sure they were all ex-EU leaders- which is crazy.

Whatever trump's doing sure as hell isn't slowing down Mueller. It seems like there is nothing that happens with trumps guys that Mueller doesn't already know about. Not only are people coming out of interviews astonished that Mueller knows everything, but he's still got all their communications. LMAO. What the hell was Manafort thinking? Did he believe that he somehow encrypted his phone sufficiently to defeat the Justice Department of USA?