Donald Trump Under Active Investigation for Obstruction of Justice

[Tgo01]

It could backfire spectacularly if the pardon itself was overturned by SCOTUS.

Have you EVER heard of a pardon being overturned by SCOTUS? Are you really this fucking stupid?

Maybe your LNet boyfriend will come to your rescue this time around and say everyone admitted you were the smartest person on the PC.

[drauz]

Jesus. How do you turn the computer on?

You have to be trolling at this point.. no one could possibly be this retarded.

I do it like everyone else.

[Fortybox]

Have you EVER heard of a pardon being overturned by SCOTUS? Are you really this fucking stupid?

Maybe your LNet boyfriend will come to your rescue this time around and say everyone admitted you were the smartest person on the PC.

[hello]

President is within his constitutional powers to pardon himself; Nixon was debating doing this before shifting it to Ford. Trump knows he's free and clear of any prosecution or even jail time technically by the letter of the law.

But... Prez Pardons only apply to federal crimes. If say Maryland or DC were to sue him for illegal/conflict-of-interest due to his relationship with his businesses, pardoning himself (admission of guilt) will lead to an almost certain victory in the lawsuit. Further, criminal charges can be brought to bear state by state based upon his actions prior to taking office or dealings with his properties.

[time4fun]

Pardons aren't reviewed by SCOTUS. They can't overturn them, aslong as the meet the two criteria set out by the Constitution, offenses against the US (Federal) and not Impeachment.

It is a power specifically granted the executive branch and not subject to judicial review or legislative revocation by Congress.

Erm, SCOTUS has ruled on the Presidential Pardon ability several times. They have every ability to intervene in a Pardon to determine the constitutional issues underlying the ability. (So they can make determinations on how it's used, even though they have no say when it's used properly)

And a pardon is expressly prohibited in cases of impeachment. If a sitting President uses the Pardon pre-preemptively to avoid impeachment, you can bet that it would end up before SCOTUS.

[hello]

Erm, SCOTUS has ruled on the Presidential Pardon ability several times. They have every ability to intervene in a Pardon to determine the constitutional issues underlying the ability. (So they can make determinations on how it's used, even though they have no say when it's used properly)

And a pardon is expressly prohibited in cases of impeachment. If a sitting President uses the Pardon pre-preemptively to avoid impeachment, you can bet that it would end up before SCOTUS.

Impeachments are political, you can impeach a President for jaywalking or technically fail to impeach a President for murder if he's extremely popular for some reason. But, if he's going to use pardon power to resolve him of any guilt then the Republicans will all vote to impeach to salvage what's going to remain of the party after the apocalyptic political fallout.

[drauz]

Erm, SCOTUS has ruled on the Presidential Pardon ability several times. They have every ability to intervene in a Pardon to determine the constitutional issues underlying the ability. (So they can make determinations on how it's used, even though they have no say when it's used properly)

And a pardon is expressly prohibited in cases of impeachment. If a sitting President uses the Pardon pre-preemptively to avoid impeachment, you can bet that it would end up before SCOTUS.

No one here is saying for impeachment. In fact that was said a few times now.

[Gelston]

Erm, SCOTUS has ruled on the Presidential Pardon ability several times. They have every ability to intervene in a Pardon to determine the constitutional issues underlying the ability. (So they can make determinations on how it's used, even though they have no say when it's used properly)

And a pardon is expressly prohibited in cases of impeachment. If a sitting President uses the Pardon pre-preemptively to avoid impeachment, you can bet that it would end up before SCOTUS.

So basically, you are agreeing with exactly what I said, just trying to sound like you aren't.

[time4fun]

He sure as fuck can. Congress could still Impeach him though, and he couldn't pardon himself for anything after that Conviction.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

You're talking about a preemptive pardon to avoid Impeachment. The Courts are very clear that a law cannot be interpreted in a way that runs counter to its purpose.

To rule that a preemptive pardon of a sitting President BY a sitting President is constitutional would be to interpret the statute in a way that runs counter to its purpose. Remember- accepting a pardon is a legal admission of guilt. So it would be Trump admitting to an impeachable offense in order to avoid impeachment. That's not going to pass muster.

[Gelston]

You're talking about a preemptive pardon to avoid Impeachment. The Courts are very clear that a law cannot be interpreted in a way that runs counter to its purpose.

To rule that a preemptive pardon of a sitting President BY a sitting President is constitutional would be to interpret the statute in a way that runs counter to its purpose. Remember- accepting a pardon is a legal admission of guilt. So it would be Trump admitting to an impeachable offense in order to avoid impeachment. That's not going to pass muster.

Him being pardoned would have no bearing on him being Impeached. You yourself have said how many times that it is a political process?