Trump Will Totally Fix North Korea

[cwolff]

Trumps hitting the links after a hard few days of sucking up to little rocket man.

It's his 154th day at a trump property and his 112th day at a trump golf course.

Remember when he chastised Obama for this? Hell, remember when the conservatives railed against Obama for golfing? I think trump said he'd be too busy as president to golf.

Doesn't the constant lying get to you guys at all? Have you no comprehension that you're being had or do you recognize it and are totally ok with it because he's your guy?

[cwolff]

Oh there is plenty of strategy, on Kim's part, hell he got to visit Singapore on someone else's dime which he was never going to be able to do otherwise with the sanctions that are in place, he got a paid vacation with his favorite jogging bodyguards and toilet.

If there is anything to be learned from this it's that Cuba needs nukes. Hell, every little player who wants respect needs to get a nuke ASAP. That's the ticket.

[Tgo01]

They have put it in writing, regularly, if you include deals made with his father and grandfather North Korea has reneged on deals like 13 times on various things, including denuclearization. Read what they just signed, it has zero details about anything, also recall that North Korea considers Guam part of the Korean Peninsula, its all rhetoric to him.

His father and grandfather never had weapons like he does today.

Also I'm not sure why everyone thinks this summit was going to hammer out of all the details about denuclearizing North Korea and all of the other conditions on them, and all of the conditions on the US and South Korea, in a few hours. This is a major deal that has to be discussed and worked on for a while between lesser government officials than the leaders of both respective countries.

[Tgo01]

He gave up a lot more. He gave them everything they wanted for nothing.

What have we given up? Trump has already said the sanctions will remain in place until it has been confirmed that North Korea has been denuclearized. Once those sanctions are lifted and nothing has been done to ensure North Korea has given up their nuclear technology then feel free to bitch. Why you complaining about something that hasn't even happened yet nor even comments saying it would happen?

[Furryrat]

What have we given up? Trump has already said the sanctions will remain in place until it has been confirmed that North Korea has been denuclearized. Once those sanctions are lifted and nothing has been done to ensure North Korea has given up their nuclear technology then feel free to bitch. Why you complaining about something that hasn't even happened yet nor even comments saying it would happen?

Shh, they don't want to hear that, they are still riled up by CNN's headlines.

[cwolff]

His father and grandfather never had weapons like he does today.

Also I'm not sure why everyone thinks this summit was going to hammer out of all the details about denuclearizing North Korea and all of the other conditions on them, and all of the conditions on the US and South Korea, in a few years. This is a major deal that has to be discussed and worked on for a while between lesser government officials than the leaders of both respective countries.

No one thought it would hammer out all the details. These things are way fucking complicated. There is a LOT to consider. The criticism is that this rush job photo op is retarded. It's worse than nothing. We've given away our position of strength and gotten nothing in return. We created a propaganda film for Kim to show at home. We're propping up a horrible dictator and making him our equal.

What you're saying is right. That's why you have teams of people work on this stuff for years before the summit. The Iran deal took years to put together. This stuff isn't easy. It was a hard fought hard won negotiation. This just puffs up Kim for nothing.

[cwolff]

If the idea is we will lift sanctions when Kim gives up his nukes then we didn't need a summit for that. Put it on twitter "Give up your nukes and we will lift sanctions". That's why the sanctions are there.

[Tgo01]

We've given away our position of strength and gotten nothing in return.

So now we've given up our position of strength. How exactly have we done that? Because Trump talked with Kim?

I thought Obama was as useless as they come but I never gave him shit for willing to talk with the leaders of our enemies. I just gave him shit for making them rich overnight and getting a promise in return.

[Tgo01]

If the idea is we will lift sanctions when Kim gives up his nukes then we didn't need a summit for that. Put it on twitter "Give up your nukes and we will lift sanctions". That's why the sanctions are there.

So now you want diplomacy to take place on Twitter? I thought Democrats were raging that Trump uses Twitter too much in an "official" capacity.

There is also the issue of how we make sure North Korea has dismantled their research, testing, and production facilities, not to mention all of the other details and side deals to work out. You prefer we just do all of this over Twitter and take Kim's word for it?

[Ardwen]

The commitment to "work towards" is analogous to language in NPT Art. VI that binds nuclear weapons states. The reaffirmation is fascinating; it implies that the Singapore commitment is derivative of Panmunjom, a clear signal that US leverage did not add additional commitments.

BBC has a fairly decent write up on it.

We literally got nothing from this meeting, except the word they will continue to go down the path they already were going down in April, how is that hard to understand?