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Is it possible to use bigshot with crossbows? I can't figure out how. Nothing but errors any script I try. Bigshot seems to have some built in support for archery and that seems to conflict with scripts where I try to fix errors I'm running into.
Anyone have a script that works?
I use bigshot with my ranger who uses a mechanical heavy crossbow. I use a script which I call fire. On the commands tab of bigshot I set my hunting command to be script fire which will run my script when attacking. Bigshot will wait for the script to finish before continuing. The script will kneel, hide, cock my crossbow, and fire.
What kind of errors are you running into? We can either try to fix your script or I can modify mine to work for you if you like.
Well crossbow mechanics seem to be garbage looks like I need a mechanical heavy crossbow, are they expensive? Where does one get them? I'm using a regular heavy crossbow and its impossible to hunt rats even.
If I run an all in one script like that:
put cock crossbow
waitfor you cock
pause
put take 1 bolt from back
waitfor you remove
put load cross
waitfor you load
does:
.fire
[Press the ESCape key to abort script.]
kneel
hide
cock crossbow
You are already kneeling.
[Script]>Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings, and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
[Script]>
...wait 3 seconds.
[Script]>
So, useless
Mechanical crossbows are anywhere fro 5-10million depending on the current market. They're an event item but come up for sale here.
I've got one I'll sell for 8m which is a 5x unlocked heavy crossbow. 8m is what I paid for it and I've not fixskilled a character to use it yet so I am not in a rush to sell it but the market may have softened on them since I bought it.
Yeah well I'd have to give you cash for it, as my account is new
This is so stupid that in 20 years they havn't been able to make crossbows usable off the shelf for a rat hunter.
Giant Log of How Crossbows Suck for Newbies:
A giant rat sniffs the air anxiously.
A giant rat glances around, sure that it has missed something...
[Script]>
A giant rat sniffs the air anxiously.
A giant rat glances around, sure that it has missed something...
[Script]>
A giant rat scampers in!
[Script]>fire rat
But your heavy crossbow is not cocked!
[Script]>
A giant rat sniffs the air anxiously.
A giant rat glances around, sure that it has missed something...
[Script]>cock cross
You cock your heavy crossbow.
Roundtime: 10 sec.
[Script]>l cross
You see an inky black heavy crossbow which is cocked and not loaded.
You see nothing unusual.
[Script]>take 1 bolt
...wait 2 seconds.
[Script]>
take 1 bolt
You come out of hiding.
You pick up a wooden heavy crossbow bolt.
[Script]>take 1 bolt from back
You need a free hand to pick that up.
[Script]>
A giant rat tries to bite you!
AS: +34 vs DS: -35 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +5 = +107
... and hits for 3 points of damage!
Thrust glances off your knee.
Might be stiff tomorrow, but it's okay now.
[Script]>hide
A giant rat notices your attempt to hide!
Roundtime: 10 sec.
[Script]>l
[Wehnimer's, Catacombs]
Several niches in the stone walls of this small, musty chamber hold heaps of dust, tarnished trinkets and shreds of cloth. The sunken, dried face of a crumpled corpse in the center of the room still wears an expression of shock and horror. Small, furry creatures dart in and out of a jagged opening, where some stones have been removed, in the far wall. As it dawns on you that they cannot be the source of the loud, sinister scraping noises coming from the east, a chill runs down your spine. You also see a giant rat, a giant rat, a giant rat, a giant rat and a giant rat.
Obvious exits: east, west
[Script]>
A giant rat tries to bite you!
AS: +34 vs DS: -36 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +33 = +136
... and hits for 17 points of damage!
Blow raises a welt on your left arm.
[Script]>
A giant rat tries to bite you!
AS: +34 vs DS: -37 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +23 = +127
... and hits for 13 points of damage!
Quick slash to your upper right arm!
Just a nick
It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...
You realize that you have no outstanding favors which Lorminstra owes you, and without having accomplished a deed for Her, your soul is in danger of vanishing from the land forever!
...departing in 10 mins...
The giant rat squeaks excitedly!
[Script]>
A giant rat squeaks anxiously!
A giant rat scampers east.
[Script]>
[lnet: rejecting request from GSIV:Skaster for location...]
A giant rat scampers east.
[Script]>
[lnet: rejecting request from GSIV:Skaster for location...]
A giant rat scampers east.
[Script]>
A giant rat suddenly lets out a loud squeak as it glares about.
[Script]>
A giant rat scampers east.
[Script]>
A giant rat scampers in!
[Script]>
Tandriil's group just arrived.
[Script]>
Seiba looks over your corpse, as if making sure you're dead.
[Script]>
A giant rat scampers in!
[Script]>
A giant rat tries to bite Tandriil!
AS: +34 vs DS: +72 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +76 = +72
A clean miss.
[Script]>
Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
[Script]>
A giant rat tries to bite Seiba!
In the nick of time, Seiba interposes her iron warblade between herself and the blow!
[Script]>
Tandriil tried to begin dragging you, but your group status is closed. Type "GROUP OPEN" to permit yourself to be dragged.
[Script]>
Seiba says, "Oh dear.'."
[Script]>
Tandriil's group just went through a jagged opening.
[Script]>
Tandriil's group just came through a jagged opening.
[Script]>'Don't bother.
You say, "Don't bother."
[Script]>'Crossbows
You say, "Crossbows."
[Script]>
[Script aborted.]
A giant rat tries to bite Seiba!
Seiba skillfully interposes her warblade between herself and the incoming strike, deflecting it harmlessly to the side!
>
A giant rat tries to bite Seiba!
AS: +34 vs DS: +51 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +44 = +60
A clean miss.
>
Tandriil asks, "What?"
>
A giant rat tries to bite Tandriil!
AS: +34 vs DS: +72 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +65 = +61
A clean miss.
>
Tandriil gestures sharply and recites an esoteric command...
Tandriil gestures at a giant rat.
CS: +52 - TD: +3 + CvA: +25 + d100: +93 == +167
Warding failed!
A torrent of arcane energy blasts the giant rat for 11 points of damage!
... 10 points of damage!
Light blow to left leg.
>
Seiba says, "Crossbows?'."
>'Crossbows!
You exclaim, "Crossbows!"
depart
Being dead is truly boring...but things could be worse. You could be bored AND in pain.
If you wish to depart this plane, so as to immediately continue on your journey, please click DEPART CONFIRM.
>
Skaster just arrived.
>
Skaster just went west.
>depart confirm
The world before you dissolves into a grainy montage of color...
Ya that does suck and crossbows are unwieldy as shit. Your STR will increase which will help that cock roundtime.
The issue here may be command input problems or a line or two in a script that's out of whack. Some ideas that might help are using a loot script which auto gathers your bolts, or changing your script to get rid of the [Script]>take 1 bolt line and only have it take 1 bolt from your bolt in backpack.
Mechanical 0x crossbows may be hard to find and you can't use my mechanical one until lvl 13. Probably the best solution is to post your scripts and have someone tweak it for you. Are you scripting for SF or LICH?
Well Bigshot does some extremely weird things with archery itself I can't figure out how to get it to "go" with bows so I fell back to SF scripting manually to see if it would work at all, but it doesn't. Runs into a weird error where it tells me it's out of ammunition for no reason whatsoever. Any attempt to fix Bigshot by manually scripting is overridden by its built in archery support...
Settings-- Commands: fire target(xx) Ammo: back Ammo type: bolt
| Bigshot hunting
[bigshot]>stance offensive
You are now in an offensive stance.
>
[bigshot]>aim head
You're now aiming at the head of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>
[bigshot]>get 1 my bolt
You remove a single heavy crossbow bolt from a bundle of heavy crossbow bolts.
>
[bigshot]>fire #58182940
You must have your other hand free to fire the heavy crossbow!
>
[bigshot]>get 1 my bolt
You already have that.
>
[bigshot]>fire #58182940
You must have your other hand free to fire the heavy crossbow!
>
[bigshot]>get 1 my bolt
You already have that.
>
[bigshot]>fire #58182940
You must have your other hand free to fire the heavy crossbow!
>
[bigshot]>get 1 my bolt
You already have that.
>
[bigshot]>fire #58182940
You must have your other hand free to fire the heavy crossbow!
>;stop big
--- Lich: bigshot has exited.
adding "load cross" before firing in the combat line
Settings-- Commands: load cross, fire target(xx) Ammo: back Ammo type: bolt
You are now in an offensive stance.
>
[bigshot]>load cross
You must load something into your heavy crossbow.
>
[bigshot]>aim head
You're now aiming at the head of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>
[bigshot]>get 1 my bolt
You remove a single heavy crossbow bolt from a bundle of heavy crossbow bolts.
>
[bigshot]>fire #58193286
You must have your other hand free to fire the heavy crossbow!
>
[bigshot]>get 1 my bolt
You already have that.
>
[bigshot]>fire #58193286
You must have your other hand free to fire the heavy crossbow!
>
[bigshot]>get 1 my bolt
You already have that.
>
[bigshot]>fire #58193286
You must have your other hand free to fire the heavy crossbow!
>;stop
--- Lich: bigshot has exited.
It just can't seem to find the bolts from the bag...if anyone has settings for this ridiculous thing I would appreciate it, otherwise I'm killing the account as the only reason I made it was for a crossbow rogue.
Ya, I see what you're saying. Probably an easy fix between your hunting script and the ammo/wand tab.
Someone has to know. But crossbow wielders are rare and it's going to be hard finding someone who has all the scripts. I remember Alisaire struggling with bows and hearing about it and thinking how horrible it was, and I have no idea right now how she wasn't literally rage quitting over it as she used bows and crossbows all the time. She ended up getting help from someone who was pretty heavily invested in it as I remember. I don't even know if she plays anymore.
And people are so defensive of how bad the crossbows are. I don't get how people can just get so used to a bad mechanic that they just accept it and project all of the game's good qualities onto a turd. Crossbows are a turd. They need to be fixed and they've needed to be fixed for a long time. The one thing Gemstone players need to learn is the the attitude at the player's corner is the attitude that is the positive one, not the ostrich with the head in the sand. That's why I always liked coming here, people were real about things.
I say here, crossbows suck, everyone is like "Yeah" and on the official forums I'm sure I'd get a bunch of nerds really mad at me. I cannot even believe this is still going on. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
You get on the normal boards and they're all about adapting to the way the game design is, including all its shitty parts. That's not love that's just fear and conformity. If people really loved the game they would campaign to have it fixed. And as I remember that's exactly how the GM got mechanical crossbows implemented.
I'm sure I've missed 10 years of people defending crossbows and people pointing out how they are obviously a bad game design. Not everything in a MUD should need to be typed. I should be able to ATTACK RAT with a crossbow in my hand and a set of bolts in my quiver and have it just do some flavor text and give me something that will kill a L1 rat at level 3.
And I just read they're still PULLING people for scripting fletching. Jesus H Christ. Pull them for doing that in public without scripting! Nobody wants to see that! It's not a game at that point! You can AFK potion reps in WoW all day long and nobody cares because the whole challenge is getting all the ingredients, not sitting there watching screen scroll.
Okay. I'll stop ranting. But seriously, that this has gone on for that long is really really bad. Someone needs to just come out and own it. Replace all the crossbows with the automatic or bow style.
Ya the benefits imo dont outweigh the negatives but they've got a place to be used. I used crossbows until I,could hit eyeballs with a bow.
Have you thought of just picking up a claid until level 20? That's pretty much the easiest, least frustrating way to get levelled up enough to be a good archer.
Umm.. Yeah, archers are like casters. You suck at first. So I would second a claid to start with. Use a claid or sword and board until you are closer to 20. Right now you can't hide and you can't aim. You are going to just die die die.
Also you can set your stats to whatever you want for first 20 levels and then fix your stats right before you turn 20. So you can set your strength for 100 right now which would help with your cock times. What race and profession are you playing?
Right now you can't hide and you can't aim. If you absolutely have to do crossbows then you are better off firing from the open and not aiming. Cock the cross bow, load, wait for rat to attack, kneel, fire, stand.
I would strongly suggest using anything other then ranged for at least the first 15 levels. If you still want crossbows then I will see what I can come up with.
Also personally I think mechanical crossbows are the only real way to go. 10 second cock time plus 4 seconds to aim fire from hiding makes that the slowest weapon in the game. Even with a mechanical crossbow which is 2 seconds + 4 second aimed firing from hiding still makes it a little slow.
Why does everything need to be viable? Take a look at the variety of OHE weapon types available: 16 different weapons that can be swung as OHEs. Why should a whip-blade be just as viable as a handaxe, broadsword, or swinging a bastard sword one handed? Does that make sense logically for a flimsy whipy blade to inflict as much damage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rakshakvana
Weapons are inherently uneven by design. If you want to use an inferior weapon to fit your RP style, that's entirely your decision, but that's an internal conflict about your own priorities, not a design concern.
Oh Whirlin snap!
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IMO. Crossbows are like hurling. Sure you can get a bunch of daggers off the shelf and go hurling. But it's more for shits and giggles. You aren't going to be proficient unless you have a returner or unlimited bandolier. With crossbows you need a mechanical crossbow. They make the cock times manageable and you can cock it without coming out of hiding. My ranger can stay hidden and kill a room full of critters without coming out once.
Anyways, I will write a script when I get home today and post it up.
Ok, so here is a rather simple script for a crossbow. I highly recommend taking out the hiding part until you are old enough that you can actually stay hidden while firing. Regular crossbows suck as they knock you out of hiding when you cock them. That's one of the big advantages of a mechanical crossbow. I died a few times testing this script while hunting rats.. Which is sad really. You have a lot of power with a crossbow kneeling, but you die quite easily.
Anyways, copy the code to a text file, name it something .lic and then put it in your lich/scripts/ folder. In bigshot set your hunting command to, script whateveryounamedyourscript and the script should run when bigshot attacks something.
You may also want to change the quiver to wherever you keep your bolts. Anything you want added then let me know.
Code:if (checkleft != nil) && (checkleft != "crossbow")
fput "stow left"
fput "unsheath"
sleep 0.1
end
if (checkright != nil)
fput "stow right"
sleep 0.1
end
result = fput "look at my crossbow"
if result =~ /not cocked/
fput "cock my crossbow"
waitrt?
fput "get 1 bolt from my quiver"
fput "load my crossbow"
elsif result =~ /not loaded/
fput "get 1 bolt from my quiver"
fput "load my crossbow"
end
until checkkneeling
fput "kneel"
end
until checkhidden
fput "hide"
sleep 1
waitrt?
end
until checkstance == 'offensive'
fput "stance offensive"
sleep 0.1
end
fput "fire"
waitrt?
until checkstanding
fput "stand"
end
until checkstance == 'defensive'
fput "stance defensive"
sleep 0.1
end
Mechanical crossbows are advantageous to some professions. For example, a 608 ranger has 3s cast RT after casting 608. During this time, you cannot fire a bow, but you can cock a crossbow. This allows you to use the cast RT to cock the crossbow, and then fire it immediately after the RT ends for 1s less RT than if you had used a bow.Quote:
Originally Posted by phalen33
Mechanical crossbows also come with significant advantages to encumbered and weaker professions. The fire time is static on a crossbow. No amount of strength or encumbrance will add to the fire RT of a crossbow. Similarly, for mechanical crossbows, the cock time is static.
The final playstyle advantage is for professions with access to stamina reduction (monk) or celerity (wizards / imbeds) because the stamina cost to qstrike -1 with a mechanical crossbow is substantially lower than the stamina cost to qstrike with any bow types. 506 can reduce the RT of both cock and fire to 1 second with just 10 ranks in Air Lore. Similarly, the stamina cost is very low for Monks with 1213 running to qstrike both actions (like 10 and 12 stamina). It makes this a much more viable "fast firing" ranged attack.
Also, kneeling gives aiming bonuses and +AS making this weapon easier to aim in the early levels.
If all crossbows were mechanical, they would be the ideal ranged weapon for levels 0-45(ish)!
Can't think of any profession they wouldn't be advantageous to over a standard crossbow. The simple fact that you can cock them and stay hidden makes them a must if you are sniping. Your example of casting 608 and cocking in the round time only works with a mechanical crossbow. A regular one would knock you out of hiding. Then with a mechanical crossbow you can cock and fire again from hiding which allows you to keep your AS boost from 608 for multiple shots on a single cast.
Now if you want to debate crossbow over bow then there are too many pros and cons to really make an absolute decision I think. Personally I'm tempted to roll up an elf or dwarf ranger and switch to bows just for the 3 second fire times. However, my halfling ranger is pretty damn deadly with a heavy mechanical crossbow.
For early levels 0-15 I still suggest sword and board or a claid.. Crossbows will be deadly, but unless you have a pocket wizard you will spending most of the time dead yourself.
mech xbows (and other scripted xbows that make the xbow not suck) do make it better and have some good use cases, but I dunno if it would be superior to regular bows still for people with sufficient strength. The double action of having to cock + fire is always kind of annoying, and because of the dual RT you end up with this weird spot for a couple seconds where things are alive, that even if the total rt of cock + fire was the same as just normal bow fire, the creature was alive until the very end of that time segment. versus with regular bow, it's dead or incapacitated at the start of the timeline, rather than the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maerit
Don't get me wrong, my rogue uses a mech crossbow and I love having it for him. He's a gnome, so being able to snipe the head in short order for <= 5m investment rather than a like, 30m investment for a bando (with all the problems of using a bando), returner, etc. was god damn amazing. But if you CAN use a comp or longbow properly, they're still better. You can always keep a crossbow cocked and ready to go if you need (finishing off a tough creature, etc.)
Also of note, heavy crossbows actually hit slightly harder than longbows on nearly everything. Their DFs are almost identical across the board, but xbows have a slightly better AvD. The heavy xbow has a slightly better DF against scale, but a slightly worse DF against chain.