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Originally Posted by FlayedAngel

The fuck are you even talking about? He wasn't resisting, it's pretty obvious that he was calmly walking to his car.

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If an officer gives you a direct order, doing whatever else you're doing is considered resisting. "He was just walking to his car" can turn into a whole lot of things really quickly. You have to understand that, right?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

That's exactly what resisting is. For fuck's sake. I also showed you a video of what can happen if police just allow someone to reach into their vehicle after ordering them not to. Why do you keep acting like I haven't already pointed this out to you numerous times? Oh right, because it totally destroys whatever dumb point you think you have.

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Originally Posted by Stolis

If an officer gives you a direct order, doing whatever else you're doing is considered resisting. "He was just walking to his car" can turn into a whole lot of things really quickly. You have to understand that, right?

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Yeah, walking to your car totally warrants getting shot several times in the back.

You know how absolutely fucked that sounds, right?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Can you quote for me exactly what makes them a "far-right neo-fascist organization"? I mean something that doesn't come directly from a left leaning organization, this means no CNN, Antifa, MSNBC, SPLC, ADL, or any of that other shit.

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I'm not playing this idiotic "deny facts" game with you, it's commonly evident by their actions.

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Originally Posted by FlayedAngel

Yeah, walking to your car totally warrants getting shot several times in the back.

You know how absolutely fucked that sounds, right?

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Stop being a pussy and actually watch this video this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQLOmfx8X_E

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Originally Posted by FlayedAngel

I'm not playing this idiotic "deny facts" game with you, it's commonly evident by their actions.

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Right. "Commonly evident by their actions." Which actions are those again? Showing up to march? Yet when "Antifa" attacks officers and starts fires and terrorizes residents on a nightly basis for going on 3 months now they're just "largely peaceful protesters."

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Originally Posted by FlayedAngel

Yeah, walking to your car totally warrants getting shot several times in the back.

You know how absolutely fucked that sounds, right?

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It sounds fucked to you, because in your mind, that person who just got shot never had any intent to do wrong. Because you wouldn't do wrong, right? You wouldn't jump in your car and try and run any of those officers over. You wouldn't have a pistol under the seat and start opening fire.

You know how many officers have been killed at incidents where they had someone resisting and the person did pull out a gun? Do you think maybe that's why there's no messing around when it comes to resisting? Now put it in a high pressure situation where you've told the person over and over to stop moving and get away from the vehicle. Yeah sorry dude, you're getting taken down one way or another. Better to be judged by 13 than carried by 11.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Stop being a pussy and actually watch this video this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQLOmfx8X_E

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I watched the video the first time, what's your fucking point?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Right. "Commonly evident by their actions." Which actions are those again? Showing up to march? Yet when "Antifa" attacks officers and starts fires and terrorizes residents on a nightly basis for going on 3 months now they're just "largely peaceful protesters."

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Sure dude... whine more, you're still just as wrong.

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Originally Posted by Stolis

It sounds fucked to you, because in your mind, that person who just got shot never had any intent to do wrong. Because you wouldn't do wrong, right? You wouldn't jump in your car and try and run any of those officers over. You wouldn't have a pistol under the seat and start opening fire.

You know how many officers have been killed at incidents where they had someone resisting and the person did pull out a gun? Do you think maybe that's why there's no messing around when it comes to resisting? Now put it in a high pressure situation where you've told the person over and over to stop moving and get away from the vehicle. Yeah sorry dude, you're getting taken down one way or another. Better to be judged by 13 than carried by 11.

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You know, in a war ravaged areas, armed conflicts etc etc. the stance is usually, do not fire, unless fired upon.
Yet we can’t adopt those same policies in our OWN country, against civilians? If they can do it in times of war. Not sure why we can’t have that same principles in our own country.

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Originally Posted by FlayedAngel

I watched the video the first time, what's your fucking point?



Sure dude... whine more, you're still just as wrong.

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I'm just curious; do you actually think you make good points based on logic, facts, reason, and common sense? Or do you fully recognize your viewpoints are largely based on emotion?

And please spare me for once your typical "NOU!" response.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

You know, in a war ravaged areas, armed conflicts etc etc. the stance is usually, do not fire, unless fired upon.
Yet we can’t adopt those same policies in our OWN country, against civilians? If they can do it in times of war. Not sure why we can’t have that same principles in our own country.

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I've seen a lot of people on the internet repeating this exact same talking point. Can anyone who actually served in the military in a war zone comment on this?

Are you really only supposed to fire if you're fired at first? I imagine there is a lot more to it than that.

This sounds like people who claim the military is trained to shoot to wound whereas police officers are trained to shoot to kill.

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Originally Posted by Stolis

It sounds fucked to you, because in your mind, that person who just got shot never had any intent to do wrong. Because you wouldn't do wrong, right? You wouldn't jump in your car and try and run any of those officers over. You wouldn't have a pistol under the seat and start opening fire.

You know how many officers have been killed at incidents where they had someone resisting and the person did pull out a gun? Do you think maybe that's why there's no messing around when it comes to resisting? Now put it in a high pressure situation where you've told the person over and over to stop moving and get away from the vehicle. Yeah sorry dude, you're getting taken down one way or another. Better to be judged by 13 than carried by 11.

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There are a ton of ways to navigate that situation without shooting someone point-blank in the back multiple times, Christ.

I have no idea what that person was thinking or doing, or what their intent was. And believe it not, I'm not without sympathy for the high-pressure situations that cops get thrust into -- it sucks and I do get that, but that approach is not one that should be condoned.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

You know, in a war ravaged areas, armed conflicts etc etc. the stance is usually, do not fire, unless fired upon.
Yet we can’t adopt those same policies in our OWN country, against civilians? If they can do it in times of war. Not sure why we can’t have that same principles in our own country.

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No, we can't because it gets police and civilians needlessly killed. It also results in dead soldiers but it's the politically necessary thing to do because of lack of will on the population to really wage war.