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We can't do anything. The culture wars are too hot for reason or empathy. One week ago GOP reps in Colorado voted in a straight party line vote to keep bump stocks legal here. They're protecting bump stocks. That IMO is nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Not possible. You're dreaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
It isn't personal. You are saying stupid shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Like what? Like what exactly would Backlash do that would have prevented the Florida shooting after Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook or Vegas? Be specific Backlash.. just don't say "Something, anything" like you usually do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
I have an idea: If the dozen or so reports to the police department from different people, INCLUDING THE FUCKING SHOOTER HIMSELF, were actually acted upon... maybe that Florida shooting wouldn't have happened.
This isn't about gun violence. This isn't about schools being a soft target. This isn't a 2nd amendment rights deal. This is about our government completely FAILING to do the job they were supposed to do.
If, as citizens, we did our part of "See Something, Say Something" and specifically identified this kid as a threat... and even the kid himself called, saying he was a threat, this was nothing but a complete failure on our government's part.
Anything other than this is nothing but a smokescreen and another example of people in politics using a wedge issue to drive people apart.
This was already the most easily preventable mass shooting of all time and the cops and FBI allowed this to happen by doing nothing when there were a million red flags.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
What’s your opinion on how the authorities handled all those red flags, including standing outside doing nothing like fat vaginaheads while people are getting murdered inside?
What are your thoughts about those things?
I said doing so wouldn't touch the Bill of Rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
No one anywhere has ever disputed this. I also said that banning certain magazines wouldn't touch the Bill of Rights, because I said doing a lot of things wouldn't touch the Bill of Rights, because there are lots of versions of Constitutional gun control. Anyone whose go-to response to gun control legislation is to shriek about the Second Amendment is wasting your time.Quote:
Capacity =/= banning weapons.
What you said was that people were trying to take something out of the Bill of Rights, that's all I've been talking about. I really have no idea why you're harping on a point on which nobody has disagreed.Quote:
Like I said AR-15s are just a style. Think of it like someone being emo, they dress the part and wear some eyeshadow but they are still human underneath. That is why I said to focus on magazine capacity.
And if enough people agree, that will be Constitutional too. That's how this works. Government of the people, by the people, for the people.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
We already have regulations on free speech that everyone agrees with; for example, you don't think people should be allowed to shout fire in a crowded theater.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
The United States has been successfully invaded during three distinct conflicts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Let us consider the OECD countries' rates of gun ownership, schizophrenia, and gun death.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-win?CMP=fb_gu
This is what you're up against. Guns are now part and parcel of the culture wars. They're more fetish token than useful tool around the homestead. The NRA overplayed their hand and it's coming back to bite them.Quote:
Just 3% of Americans own half of the guns in America. And that 3% isn’t just anyone. According to a Harvard study flagged by Scientific American this month, the person most likely to stockpile guns in this country is an older, white man from a rural conservative area. And an alarming body of research shows that they’re motivated by racial anxiety and a fear of emasculation.
I also will no longer tell you that, "No one wants to take away your guns!"
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Retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens is calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment to allow for significant gun control legislation. The 97-year-old Stevens wrote in an op-ed for The New York Times on Tuesday suggesting a repeal would weaken the National Rifle Association's ability to "block constructive gun control legislation" and be a more "effective and more lasting reform."
I'm confused, are you suggesting that these people are of sound mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm