Climate Change Report

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Originally Posted by Atlanteax

Perhaps not scientific but definitely brings into question the sincerity of their motivation.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

You would think if hippies really loved the Earth as much as they say they do they would want humans to keep pumping out pollution so we kill ourselves off faster.

After all don't scientists agree that even though humanity might be wiped out the Earth will continue on just fine? Maybe the next species that evolves will be kinder to the Earth from the get go; like star fish, they seem pretty environmentally friendly.

We won't know though unless you give humans the chance to make themselves extinct.

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Why is the right running from this topic so fast now? It used to just be a science issue. An issue about measuring and observation to learn how we should respond. Now it's tied up in an almost faith based anti-intellectualism that humans don't cause it, it will happen anyway, I'll be dead before it's too bad and we can't stop it so why try and CHINA! It's like having a conversation with Sybil.

Is the conservative movement so full of sheep that they will lead wherever their shepherd points, even if it's off a cliff. Is there no care at all for attempting to make improvements or to leave the land better for our children and their grandchildren?

What happened to conservative leaders like this. Ultimately my questions for conservatives (at least today's mutant version) is this: What the fuck are you so afraid of? Are you so scared that you won't even try?

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President George Bush, Sr in 1990: "We all know that human activities are changing the atmosphere in unexpected and in unprecedented ways."

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Richard Nixon in 1970: AS YOU KNOW, the bill we are signing today is the environmental bill. There is one line in there that I am particularly stimulated by, when I said we had to work on the environment because it is now or never.

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I'm going to say it is more of an overpopulation issue than actual human issue. If there was 9 billion cows I'm sure the Earth would be far worse right now.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Why is the right running from this topic so fast now?

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It sure doesn't take much for you to claim victory, does it?

Me: If hippies want to save the world then why don't they let us kill ourselves off?
cwolff: You're running away! HAHA! I WIN!
Every sane person in the entire world: /forehead smack

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Originally Posted by cwolff

It used to just be a science issue. An issue about measuring and observation to learn how we should respond. Now it's tied up in an almost faith based anti-intellectualism that humans don't cause it, it will happen anyway, I'll be dead before it's too bad and we can't stop it so why try and CHINA!

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Uh, what's this "it used to be just a science issue" bullshit? Saying humans aren't having a great impact on the climate and saying why gimp ourselves when nations like China and India will keep polluting anyways has been the standard go to response for decades now. Isn't that why Bush didn't sign the Kyoto Protocol? Because "BUT CHINA!" In the meantime we'll just increase costs for everyday ordinary citizens while China keeps getting a leg up on us in the world. Brilliant!

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Is the conservative movement so full of sheep that they will lead wherever their shepherd points, even if it's off a cliff.

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I hope the irony is not lost on you, cwolff.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

What happened to conservative leaders like this.

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Good question.

What happened to any Democratic leader who did or suggested anything other than "Ban coal power plants because we don't use that much energy anyway! LOL!"

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Originally Posted by Atlanteax

Perhaps not scientific but definitely brings into question the sincerity of their motivation.

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The funny thing about science is that it's true:
1) regardless of who's saying it and whether or not they're a hypocrite OR a cynical politician simply looking to free ride off a position popular with their base
2) regardless of whether or not you choose to recognize it

Likewise, the statements "1+1=2" or "the sun has risen every day for the past five years" or "the climate is on an undeniably upward trend, as are CO2 concentrations in our atmosphere" are true whether or not they're said by Neil Armstrong, Joseph Stalin or Ayn Rand.

Impugning the global, essentially universal consensus of the scientific community, implying there's a worldwide conspiracy of "greedy scientists" out to wreck the global economy so--what, their green energy companies can be temporarily subsidized until they replace current industries?--is what we call a conspiracy theory.

The evidence for anthropogenic climate change is beyond question--the right's denial of science has ranged variously from "global warming is a hoax!1!shift+1!" to "It snowed this winter! So much for global warming!" or "Is global warming really such a bad thing? I sure want these cold winters to end!" In 2008, McCain and even Palin recognized it. Since the Tea Party entered the picture, the right has been tripping over itself, right off an unscientific cliff.

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

The funny thing about science is that it's true:
1) regardless of who's saying it and whether or not they're a hypocrite OR a cynical politician simply looking to free ride off a position popular with their base
2) regardless of whether or not you choose to recognize it

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I remember at one point that scientists were telling everyone the world was flat.... sorry, it was scientists that believed in the bible. So clearly I am mistaken.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

It sure doesn't take much for you to claim victory, does it?

Me: If hippies want to save the world then why don't they let us kill ourselves off?
cwolff: You're running away! HAHA! I WIN!
Every sane person in the entire world: /forehead smack



Uh, what's this "it used to be just a science issue" bullshit? Saying humans aren't having a great impact on the climate and saying why gimp ourselves when nations like China and India will keep polluting anyways has been the standard go to response for decades now. Isn't that why Bush didn't sign the Kyoto Protocol? Because "BUT CHINA!" In the meantime we'll just increase costs for everyday ordinary citizens while China keeps getting a leg up on us in the world. Brilliant!



I hope the irony is not lost on you, cwolff.



Good question.

What happened to any Democratic leader who did or suggested anything other than "Ban coal power plants because we don't use that much energy anyway! LOL!"

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Is that what's got you so scared? China? You're afraid that they will take us over if we don't keep doing things the old way? What happened to us being the leader and pulling our own strings. Since when is the U.S.A. so full of cowardice that we run and hide from a challenge.

The answer to your question: Since when did a democratic leader suggest anything other than ban coal power plants is June 1st, 2014.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

What happened to us being the leader and pulling our own strings.

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Nothing, that's exactly why we ignored the Kyoto Protocol and continue to ignore doomsayers like you who tell us to change our ways because of the rest of the planet. In fact you basically just shot down your entire argument; I hope you realize that because it is by far the funniest thing you have ever said.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

The answer to your question: Since when did a democratic leader suggest anything other than ban coal power plants is June 1st, 2014.

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Do you care to expand on that? Is that the date Obama suggested taxing carbon or some shit?

Why are you defending Coal energy anyway? It's dirtier, provides less electricity, and more costly to gather resources compared to alternatives(Source: SimCity). Seems like an antiquated energy production mechanism. It's the penny of energy.

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Originally Posted by Whirlin

Why are you defending Coal energy anyway? It's dirtier, provides less electricity, and more costly to gather resources compared to alternatives(Source: SimCity). Seems like an antiquated energy production mechanism. It's the penny of energy.

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lol SimCity. Nice that made me crack up. And we use coal because it is the cheapest. It's like how many of you put 92 octane gas in your cars?

P.S.
We all know you use 87.

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Originally Posted by Whirlin

Why are you defending Coal energy anyway? It's dirtier, provides less electricity, and more costly to gather resources compared to alternatives(Source: SimCity). Seems like an antiquated energy production mechanism. It's the penny of energy.

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Hey I'm all for alternative forms of energy; but I also realize with the power needs of this country it's not something that is going to happen overnight and trying to force energy companies to stop burning coal prematurely seems counter productive.