ClydeR has outed himself as a neckbeard anti-electric car basement dweller. I bet he'd be proud about "rolling coal" if he could afford a truck.
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ClydeR has outed himself as a neckbeard anti-electric car basement dweller. I bet he'd be proud about "rolling coal" if he could afford a truck.
There's a strong argument that hydrogen vehicles would be better than electric vehicles. Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe. On earth, we have oceans of it. No waiting around on your battery to charge. Just put fill the tank and go, like with gas, except it's clean! No landfills full of toxic battery components.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
His idea of "rolling coal" probably involves a black African dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Hydrogen takes a lot of energy to produce. Very dangerous to store since any leak ignites or is explosive in air. The sulphur and other compounds in the air combine with the water vapor generated in the engine to make acid and eat away the engine and exhaust system very quickly and that is the least hazardous chemical reaction we have to worry about from pollutants. It takes a bit of skill to hook up and use gas fill lines for pressurized gas safely, not just any moron can use a fueling station. Lastly, there is almost no infrastructure to support it, unlike electric cars, despite the fact that is we increased electric car usage by around 50% of current levels, the grid would collapse since we can't make or move enough electricity.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
Keep trying dumbass.
HAHAHAHA.,.. too funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
You've gone from "OMG WE HAVE TO SAVE TEH PLANET FROM GLOBAL WARMING BY FORCING PEOPLE INTO ELECTRIC CARS!" to "OMG WE NEED TO GET RID OF ELECTRIC CARS BECAUSE ELON MUSK HURT MY FEE FEES! FUCK TEH CLIMATE!"
You're such a fucking joke.. the ONLY "principle" you have is you are for everything that the Republicans (especially ZOMGTRUMP!!!!) is against.
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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
You're overlooking electrolysis and solar panels, the subject of many high school science projects. That is the answer.
Before you read any further, be warned. The video below shows a person being injured by a Tesla. If you're squeamish or sensitive or very young, then turn away. Just turn away.
Still here?
In that case, you asked for it..
Tesla stock up to 357 now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
Should have bought when I did.
Great company, great stock, great upside.
No, actually, I am not dumbfuck. People a lot smarter than you and I have looked into this. Do you have any idea how much energy it takes to separate enough hydrogen to be economically useful?Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_productionQuote:
However, current best processes for water electrolysis have an effective electrical efficiency of 70-80%, so that producing 1 kg of hydrogen (which has a specific energy of 143 MJ/kg or about 40 kWh/kg) requires 50–55 kWh of electricity.
The average household uses from 600-1000 kWh of electricity a month. So, here you would have to use a month's worth of energy to make 50 KG of hydrogen.
The average hydrogen powered car would burn from .05 to .1 kg of hydrogen per kilometer so from 50 to 100 km per kilogram.
1000 (31.6 feet by 31.6 feet or 9.4m by 9.4m approximately) square feet of solar panels will generate about 26000 kWh of energy in one year assuming average sun and average latitude when first installed, solar panels lose effectiveness over time, then there is weather, dust, damage and higher latitudes produce less power since the sun is less direct.
So, in one year, a house sized panel array would make 520 kg of hydrogen or between 26000-52000 km worth of hydrogen.
Sounds great, huh?
BUT, this assumes a perfect system. This also does not include the power to compress the hydrogen to a usable and storable size since no one wants to keep a 6208.8 cubic meter bag of explosive hydrogen gas around much less try to attach that to your car.
Compressing hydrogen gas to a usable volume for storage takes getting it to about 700-1000 bar. This takes around 2.6 kWh per kilogram to compress. And now, your whole system becomes much less efficient since this number is under ideal conditions with perfectly operating equipment. Wear, dirt and all kinds of other conditions make it even less efficient. OH, and it takes time, you can’t just run a compressor like you do for filling up a tire, this stuff gets hot and needs cooled which needs even more equipment and energy. This doesn’t even get into the cost of the compression, storage and transport equipment.
So, in the end, to run one vehicle, you need a house sized solar array which costs, on the cheap side since I had it priced for my house last year, around 20K. Then you have the cheapest compressor for hydrogen out there at 50K, storage tanks and handling equipment running, just a guess, 10K, that isn’t even trying to estimate the cost of cooling. Then you have an expensive vehicle whose engine will, by the nature of the fuel, destroy it’s self quickly due to atmospheric pollutants. And lastly, you have a fuel that automatically ignites in the presence of air, burns with a flame you ordinarily can’t see in daylight, is automatically explosive with a large enough leak and cannot be extinguished without fire foam.
As I said, dumbfuck, it isn’t as simple as you think it is. People a lot smarter than you and I have been thinking about this and trying to solve the problems since the 1950s. This kind of short sighted, ignorant thinking is as bad or worse than telling a bunch of coal miners to “learn to code.”
Stop trying to be clever or to appear intelligent, you aren’t.
Rocktar's long post was very good. It was thoughtful and well researched and even included a link. However, I think it overlooks the boost that need gives to ingenuity. We need cars that run on water and sunshine and emit only water vapor as exhaust. Because we need them, somebody will discover how to make the necessary slight improvements in the efficiency of electrolysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
I would never recommend that anyone learn to code, other than as a hobby. AI is taking all those jobs.
Wrong. This was thought of 40 years ago in great detail. Guess what? We still don’t have flying cars, or a Mr. Fusion, or a flux capacitor that allows time travel. I go 88 mph on the tollway to and from work everyday. You know what happens? Not a gahdang thing. It’s 2025 and we still need roads, jagoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
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On coal miners and learning to code, I would tell you to say that to Joe Biden but you don’t understand the reference. Because you’re stupid.