Things that made you frown today (Political Version)

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Yes I see that too. Not sure if it was self inflicted or not. My friends on Facebook think this story is a gut punch to liberals. They're like, "see libtards! Good guy with a gun".

I think it damages their main arguments. For one thing, the good guy with a gun didn't stop him from walking into school and shooting girl. He also only killed one person. If he had an AR he could have killed more people more easily

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Good God it’s like you consciously go out of your way to be as retarded as humanly possible.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

This is why I say we have to change the mentality. Something's broken in Americans. We're backsliding. Right now is about the best time in the history of the world to be alive and we're all fucked up and angry. I think that applies to guns because its now a wedge issue. Its a tribal identifier. The gun is no longer a useful piece of equipment. Its not a tool in other words. If it were no one would freak about going bolt action.

We can't legislate making people mentally healthy. In the meantime we can lower the incidents of gun violence

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No, most issues over the past 10 years haven't been about guns. The main issues now is immigration, its not even about guns until a mass shooting happens. It is something else.

I don't want to get rid of the tool just because it is used improperly a very small percentage of the time. The gun is most certainly a useful piece of equipment... Where did you pull that from? It serves the purpose of defending yourself and your property, not to mention its use for hunting...

I really think you are just uninformed when it comes to guns all around.

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Originally Posted by drauz

No, most issues over the past 10 years haven't been about guns. The main issues now is immigration, its not even about guns until a mass shooting happens. It is something else.

I don't want to get rid of the tool just because it is used improperly a very small percentage of the time. The gun is most certainly a useful piece of equipment... Where did you pull that from? It serves the purpose of defending yourself and your property, not to mention its use for hunting...

I really think you are just uninformed when it comes to guns all around.

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A shotgun, 30.06 and a handgun is all you need for basically any application. If they were just tools we'd not have all these mods to dress it up and play navy seal/swat.

I said its a wedge issue. That not in dispute. At least it hasn't been until now. The tide may be turning:

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(CNN) - Republican donor Al Hoffman Jr. announced the launch of an advocacy organization on Saturday that will push Congress to pass comprehensive gun control legislation.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

If he had an AR he could have killed more people more easily

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What makes you say that? A handgun is easier to conceal and you could walk into a crowd and start shooting before anyone realizes what is happening. Remember an AR-15 is still one trigger pull one bullet just like a handgun. A handgun is easier to reload in my opinion as well, especially for the uninitiated.

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For one thing, the good guy with a gun didn't stop him from walking into school and shooting girl.

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You will always be dealing with an "ambush" in these situations. No one is going to say on March 25th @ 10am I'm going to start shooting, so be ready for me. You don't seem to be basing anything in reality and how things actually work.

So you've banned AR-15s, so they start using handguns to the same effect(since they work basically the same). Will you then ban handguns?

You think they look scary so they should be banned. I disagree and I don't think you have the subject knowledge to change my mind

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Originally Posted by cwolff

A shotgun, 30.06 and a handgun is all you need for basically any application. If they were just tools we'd not have all these mods to dress it up and play navy seal/swat.

I said its a wedge issue. That not in dispute. At least it hasn't been until now. The tide may be turning:

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A burlap sack is all you need to go outside and not show your private bits. If I change the body of my toyota to look like a ferrari does it then run like a ferrari?!

THEY ARE COSMETIC CHANGES TO THE GUN. Other than magazine capacity they don't change how the gun works in a game changing way.

People like to make their stuff look nice. That is all you are currently trying to legislate for. Its security theater.

We do agree about limiting magazine capacity. Totally agree with you there. And no matter what magazine size or action (semi or single) you can still dress an AR up to look all scary. One can have a single action AR, with all the cool side rails and shit. Its a win win.

You still keep your nice clothes in other words

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Originally Posted by cwolff

We do agree about limiting magazine capacity. Totally agree with you there. And no matter what magazine size or action (semi or single) you can still dress an AR up to look all scary. One can have a single action AR, with all the co side rails and shit. Its a win win.

You still keep your nice clothes in other words

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No, because then people would start calling them sniper rifles and call for more bans. In the UK there are people who want to ban knives right now, btw.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

No, because then people would start calling them sniper rifles and call for more bans. In the UK there are people who want to ban knives right now, btw.

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If we get into a situation of copycat sniping and it becomes a big deal then I'm sure we will consider banning long guns or at least putting hella restrictions on them.

We ban knives now in cities. Not completely ban them but the blade length mostly. Switchblades may still be banned in places

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Originally Posted by cwolff

We do agree about limiting magazine capacity.

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We have done this before, it didn't help anything. What it did was make the shooting hobby suck, it fucking blows having to reload every 3/5 rounds and you're talking single shot. Do you suck this much at parties?

Why are you not calling for a ban on shotguns? Shotguns are by far a much better choice of gun for inside the hallways of a building. Why not a call for a ban on .22, .38, .45 and 9 mm handguns? These guns are used in more crimes than "assault rifles", long guns really are not that great of an option for school shooting situations.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

We do agree about limiting magazine capacity. Totally agree with you there. And no matter what magazine size or action (semi or single) you can still dress an AR up to look all scary. One can have a single action AR, with all the cool side rails and shit. Its a win win.

You still keep your nice clothes in other words

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The main problem though is mental health. We've agreed on that, why don't we focus on getting that changed instead. It is something both parties can get behind without a ton of push back.