More Obamacare fuckups

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Originally Posted by AnticorRifling

You're basing this on all of that time you spent being a soldier right?

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That would be a no. Definitely a good job of putting words in my mouth though. It's not about the individual anecdote. It's the rough equivalent of suggesting that all soldiers are bad because one innocent person got shot in Iraq. Y'all are buying a Cindy Sheehan style argument.

The response to this story is all the stories you won't hear carefully trimmed by conservative media.

And it's quite obvious that American conservatives and the conservative media are attempting to scare people away from the system to make it fail.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

That would be a no. Definitely a good job of putting words in my mouth though. It's not about the individual anecdote. It's the rough equivalent of suggesting that all soldiers are bad because one innocent person got shot in Iraq. Y'all are buying a Cindy Sheehan style argument.

The response to this story is all the stories you won't hear carefully trimmed by conservative media.

And it's quite obvious that American conservatives and the conservative media are attempting to scare people away from the system to make it fail.

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I didn't put words in your mouth at all and you made it an individual anecdote by your very question towards that very specific individual.

Of course it's conservatives using stories like this to garner support, just like these stories aren't being discussed through liberal media outlets because it might make their cause look bad.

I guess I'm confused where you're coming from with this. If this person were your mother would you want the story told? I've already given a factual, personal (obviously anecdotal) account of how my brother and his family will not be able to afford health care under the ACA. They can't budget for cost that is the equivalent of more than they are paying in housing. They can't all be feel good stories, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be told does it?

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Yes.. because if I were facing this cancer, the first thing I would want is a new doctor and new insurance.

What happened to “And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future.” - Barack Obama

“That means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health-care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health-care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.” - Barack Obama

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Didn't you hear? He misspoke all those times he was saying that....

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That, they say, violates President Obama’s pledge that if you like the insurance you have, you can keep it.

Mr. Obama clearly misspoke when he said that. By law, insurers cannot continue to sell policies that don’t provide the minimum benefits and consumer protections required as of next year. So they’ve sent cancellation notices to hundreds of thousands of people who hold these substandard policies....

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/op...=opinion&_r=2&

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Yes.. because if I were facing this cancer, the first thing I would want is a new doctor and new insurance.

What happened to “And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future.” - Barack Obama

“That means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health-care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health-care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.” - Barack Obama

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I agree. It does seem that ACA was oversold and underdelivered.

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Originally Posted by AnticorRifling

Source for your certainty please?

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Source for her gender or that she has to change doctors? As far as the gender goes, you can google her name, as for changing doctors...that's one of the points she's making in her piece.

She could very well be the reason that her insurance provider is using ACA as a chance to dump the policy she's on. They've paid out 1.2 million $ just for her treatment. I wonder how many healthy enrollees a plan needs to cover 1.2 million for just one person.

Source for she's not going to die as a result and the only thing she's going to have to change is doctors (treatment will remain exactly the same, facilities will remain the same, etc).

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Originally Posted by AnticorRifling

Source for she's not going to die as a result and the only thing she's going to have to change is doctors (treatment will remain exactly the same, facilities will remain the same, etc).

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Don't be retarded. Edie could die any day. She's been in and out of remission and is considered an outlier because she has lived so far beyond the normal for her type of cancer.

In her own words, she takes to chemo like a duck to water. Will changing Doctors kill her? Doubtful. Her cancer is going to kill her and probably sooner than later.

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For over four years, regardless of what is put into me, or taken out of me, my blood immunity markers are almost always in the normal range. My body can deal with strong chemotherapy, infection and inflammation. Maybe it’s because I spent the first 10 years of my life on an Oklahoma cotton farm, outdoors and mostly barefoot, absorbing bacteria and germs and strengthening my immune system. Maybe not.

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She won't die because of this.

Will this kill her? Doubtful.

At this rate you're four posts from saying this change will kill her.

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Originally Posted by AnticorRifling

She won't die because of this.

Will this kill her? Doubtful.

At this rate you're four posts from saying this change will kill her.

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Why will ACA kill her? Why? She takes chemo like a champ and you can get chemo anywhere. She's been in treatment for years, is knowledgeable about her disease and options. She's not going to lapse in coverage and will be treated by qualified Doctor's.

Her piece is short on fact and long on feeling and you are eating it up as if it came out of a burning bush.

It sucks that her insurance company dropped her. I wish they hadn't but they're losing $$$ on her life and they are in business to make money. ACA provides a great opportunity for insurance companies to re-vamp their offerings and drop the loser policies. It's definitely and ugly side of things but that's capitalism. Obama did gloss over the ugly parts of ACA and promoted the positive aspects. If you want to be outraged about that, fine. Be outraged. To believe that Edie has now been sentenced to death because of ACA is fear mongering at it's worst.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

I agree. It does seem that ACA was oversold and underdelivered.

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It was the only way to sell it. November 2014 should be very interesting, if the Republicans just let this thing eat itself.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

It was the only way to sell it. November 2014 should be very interesting, if the Republicans just let this thing eat itself.

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That's probably their best strategy. They run the risk that it goes well and people are happy but I expect there will still be some heartburn out there about it and it won't be hard to exploit this with their base. It's a risky strategy though and looking at how they are preparing to in-fight each other before they start fighting the Democratic opponents it's not looking good.