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03-26-2018, 12:37 AM
drauz

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Originally Posted by cwolff

There's a fucked up mentality in my peer group is what I'm saying. I think these super sexy "assault rifles" are a manifestation of that. I think that we, as men, need to step up and grow up. Its time to quit playing with toys and look after the tribe, which in this case is the people of our country.

I'm being general and simplistic. I expect to be not-picked, but thats about as good as I can articulate where I'm coming from right now

Your peer group is significantly under represented in all crimes. Violent crimes have been decreasing overall for a while.

You being simplistic is an understatement. I would go so far as to say uninformed.
03-26-2018, 12:39 AM
drauz

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Originally Posted by cwolff

You got to admit they are sexy as hell. I bet you keep "guns and ammo" in the bathroom. LOL

I bet you have a Men's Health magazine in your bathroom, is there something you need to tell your wife?

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03-26-2018, 12:46 AM
cwolff

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Originally Posted by drauz

Your peer group is significantly under represented in all crimes. Violent crimes have been decreasing overall for a while.

You being simplistic is an understatement. I would go so far as to say uninformed.

I do know crime is decreasing and has been my entire life for the most part. That doesn't stop the fear mongering. Whats worse is the way people rationalize their fears. We had 8 years of Obama coming for your guns even though that was not true. Responsible men wouldnt have overreacted that way. Been led astray by memes and marketing.

You got to keep in mind that there are two separate things here and they get mingled which screws up the debate. You general run of the mill crime. And you have these mass shooting events whose impact is 1000% bigger than their statistical representation.

That impact is driving this debate.
03-26-2018, 12:48 AM
cwolff

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Originally Posted by drauz

I bet you have a Men's Health magazine in your bathroom, is there something you need to tell your wife?

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Hahaha. Baby, I'd like you to meet kip. Hes not just my personal trainer. LOL. She'd stab poor Kip.
03-26-2018, 01:05 AM
drauz

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Originally Posted by cwolff

I do know crime is decreasing and has been my entire life for the most part. That doesn't stop the fear mongering. Whats worse is the way people rationalize their fears. We had 8 years of Obama coming for your guns even though that was not true. Responsible men wouldnt have overreacted that way. Been led astray by memes and marketing.

You got to keep in mind that there are two separate things here and they get mingled which screws up the debate. You general run of the mill crime. And you have these mass shooting events whose impact is 1000% bigger than their statistical representation.

That impact is driving this debate.

Your general run of the mill murder you mean?

For some reason you think it's the gun that's doing it and that is retarded. These kids think the guns are sexy so they shoot up schools. It has nothing to do with their mental state, it's that they fetishize guns!

This is precisely why people say its a mental health issue and not a guns issue, because it is.
03-26-2018, 01:13 AM
cwolff

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Originally Posted by drauz

Your general run of the mill murder you mean?

For some reason you think it's the gun that's doing it and that is retarded. These kids think the guns are sexy so they shoot up schools. It has nothing to do with their mental state, it's that they fetishize guns!

This is precisely why people say its a mental health issue and not a guns issue, because it is.

You're agreeing with me in the main. Where we differ is that having the right tool for the job makes killing people a ton easier. Like turning a bolt with pliers compared to actually getting the correct size box end wrench. The right tool for the job. When it comes to shooting lots of people the right tool is an AR or its cousins. Its made for the job and up to the task at hand.

The sexiness I'm talking about relates more to the big boy toys point I was trying to make. I didn't relate it to kids like Adam Lanza.

P.S. yes general run of the mill murder is what I meant. Like the kid in MD. He was a domestic abuser. They say the resource officer stopped him though I'm not sure that's that case. We can understand him killing her. It makes sense even though its abhorrent. These random mass events make no sense (Hell, they don't even know a motive for Lad Vegas) and that multiplies their impact on the national psyche
03-26-2018, 01:18 AM
drauz

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Originally Posted by cwolff

You're agreeing with me in the main. Where we differ is that having the right tool for the job makes killing people a ton easier. Like turning a bolt with pliers compared to actually getting the correct size box end wrench. The right tool for the job. When it comes to shooting lots of people the right tool is an AR or its cousins. Its made for the job and up to the task at hand.

The sexiness I'm talking about relates more to the big boy toys point I was trying to make. I didn't relate it to kids like Adam Lanza.

So your main concern is to deal with a symptom of the problem and not the problem? Republicans have said they are more than willing to work with the mental health aspect, but the gun control part is all Democrats seem to be interested in. Something isn't adding up if what they actually want is to stop mass shootings.
03-26-2018, 01:26 AM
cwolff

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Originally Posted by drauz

So your main concern is to deal with a symptom of the problem and not the problem? Republicans have said they are more than willing to work with the mental health aspect, but the gun control part is all Democrats seem to be interested in. Something isn't adding up if what they actually want is to stop mass shootings.

This is why I say we have to change the mentality. Something's broken in Americans. We're backsliding. Right now is about the best time in the history of the world to be alive and we're all fucked up and angry. I think that applies to guns because its now a wedge issue. Its a tribal identifier. The gun is no longer a useful piece of equipment. Its not a tool in other words. If it were no one would freak about going bolt action.

We can't legislate making people mentally healthy. In the meantime we can lower the incidents of gun violence

I am all for strong mental health programs though. Lets invest in it and see what happens
03-26-2018, 01:26 AM
drauz

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Originally Posted by cwolff

P.S. yes general run of the mill murder is what I meant. Like the kid in MD. He was a domestic abuser. They say the resource officer stopped him though I'm not sure that's that case. We can understand him killing her. It makes sense even though its abhorrent. These random mass events make no sense (Hell, they don't even know a motive for Lad Vegas) and that multiplies their impact on the national psyche

Only reports I've seen have either said the RO killed the guy or that they were unsure if he did. Thankfully we'll never know if there would have been more victims because (in my opinion) he WAS there. He used a handgun btw.
03-26-2018, 01:33 AM
cwolff

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Originally Posted by drauz

Only reports I've seen have either said the RO killed the guy or that they were unsure if he did. Thankfully we'll never know if there would have been more victims because (in my opinion) he WAS there. He used a handgun btw.

Yes I see that too. Not sure if it was self inflicted or not. My friends on Facebook think this story is a gut punch to liberals. They're like, "see libtards! Good guy with a gun".

I think it damages their main arguments. For one thing, the good guy with a gun didn't stop him from walking into school and shooting girl. He also only killed one person. If he had an AR he could have killed more people more easily

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