Things that made you laugh today (Political Version)

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06-04-2020, 08:57 AM
Furryrat

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

But why? I don't get it.

Because the markets don't care about social unrest. The markets care about worst-case scenarios that did not occur and knowing that the actual worst is behind. Earnings report after earnings report are coming out as expected, or better than expected, with some even giving upbeat guidance. It also appears that the massive Fed dumps of cash are over, at least to that degree, so even the fundamentalists are breathing easier.

All the technicals, however, are just nudges and nuance. The market is driven by two simple, raw, visceral opposing forces: fear and greed. When one wanes, the other takes over.
06-04-2020, 01:03 PM
HOUSE

And when the money printer goes BRRRRRRT.
06-04-2020, 10:19 PM
Blazar

https://time.com/5848489/lisa-murkowski-trump-support/

“Perhaps we’re getting to the point where we can be more honest with the concerns that we might hold internally, and have the courage of our own convictions to speak up,” Murkowski said. Asked whether she can still support Trump, she replied, “I am struggling with it. I have struggled with it for a long time.” But she said she’d continue to try to work with his administration.

But of course the bully comes out, which is still laughable because people believe Trump is a good and moral person:
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...tors-criticism

Then I found these quote from Republicans, before Trump bullied them into being his lapdogs, which makes me laugh hard again. Blast from the not so distant past.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/polit...ana/index.html
Ted Cruz on Tuesday unloaded on Donald Trump, accusing him during a news conference of being a "pathological liar," "utterly amoral," "a narcissist at a level I don't think this country's ever seen" and "a serial philanderer."
"He is proud of being a serial philanderer ... he describes his own battles with venereal diseases as his own personal Vietnam," Cruz said, citing a decades-old Trump appearance on "The Howard Stern Show."

https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-...ked-out-220402
“The more you know about Donald Trump, the less likely you are to vote for him. The more you know about his business enterprises, the less successful he looks. The more you know about his political giving, the less Republican he looks,” Graham said. “We should have done this months ago.”

"I'm not going to try to get into the mind of Donald Trump because I don't think there's a whole lot of space there. I think he's a kook. I think he's crazy. I think he's unfit for office."
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tomnamako/kook
He even states that he leads by getting people angry. He elads by division It's really not surprising that things are in the state they are right now.

The only reason they support him is in fear of losing their seats, because Trump is a bully that they fear. It's amusing yet saddening all at the same time. What's really sad is there's absolutely no way to expect these people to have convictions and stick with them and do what's right. This is how dictatorships gets started. I sure do hope that one day, I don't have to say "I told you so". Trump didn't change. Their opinions of him didn't change. They are cowards, and that is all.
06-04-2020, 11:10 PM
Tgo01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazar

https://time.com/5848489/lisa-murkowski-trump-support/

“Perhaps we’re getting to the point where we can be more honest with the concerns that we might hold internally, and have the courage of our own convictions to speak up,” Murkowski said. Asked whether she can still support Trump, she replied, “I am struggling with it. I have struggled with it for a long time.” But she said she’d continue to try to work with his administration.

But of course the bully comes out, which is still laughable because people believe Trump is a good and moral person:
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...tors-criticism

Then I found these quote from Republicans, before Trump bullied them into being his lapdogs, which makes me laugh hard again. Blast from the not so distant past.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/polit...ana/index.html
Ted Cruz on Tuesday unloaded on Donald Trump, accusing him during a news conference of being a "pathological liar," "utterly amoral," "a narcissist at a level I don't think this country's ever seen" and "a serial philanderer."
"He is proud of being a serial philanderer ... he describes his own battles with venereal diseases as his own personal Vietnam," Cruz said, citing a decades-old Trump appearance on "The Howard Stern Show."

https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-...ked-out-220402
“The more you know about Donald Trump, the less likely you are to vote for him. The more you know about his business enterprises, the less successful he looks. The more you know about his political giving, the less Republican he looks,” Graham said. “We should have done this months ago.”

"I'm not going to try to get into the mind of Donald Trump because I don't think there's a whole lot of space there. I think he's a kook. I think he's crazy. I think he's unfit for office."
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tomnamako/kook
He even states that he leads by getting people angry. He elads by division It's really not surprising that things are in the state they are right now.

The only reason they support him is in fear of losing their seats, because Trump is a bully that they fear. It's amusing yet saddening all at the same time. What's really sad is there's absolutely no way to expect these people to have convictions and stick with them and do what's right. This is how dictatorships gets started. I sure do hope that one day, I don't have to say "I told you so". Trump didn't change. Their opinions of him didn't change. They are cowards, and that is all.

Seems like just a couple of days ago Blazar was saying he wasn't right or left and it seems like just today he was lecturing all of us on not being set in our ways and to not hold extreme views.
06-04-2020, 11:47 PM
Blazar

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Seems like just a couple of days ago Blazar was saying he wasn't right or left and it seems like just today he was lecturing all of us on not being set in our ways and to not hold extreme views.

Let's agree to just ignore each other's post from here on out, but since you're trying to spin my post, here goes. I never said you can't have opinions or feel any certain way. This entire time I have encouraged you to be open minded and civil, that's all. A request for you to acknowledge that not 'every person who has a liberal view' in any way is wrong before they even open their mouths. That doesn't mean that I don't have an opinion, and I definitely have an opinion on Trump and will share it as I please. However, I will do it without lowering myself to attacking others. Disliking Trump isn't an extreme leftist view. The man is a self serving narcissist. I don't like any of those types of people. I worked for one and it was miserable. It's pretty simple to see if you're not too busy stroking his ego and defending every dumb thing he does. Which is all being president is to him, a way to profit and stroke his own ego, trophies he collects through the years. Mind you, and I will say this without a doubt in my mind, Trump doesn't give two shits about America or the people. Pretty sure he won't ever get his Time Magazine Person of the Year Award though, even though he craves it so badly. Small victories I guess.

I didn't say any of those quotes, these are Republicans who now pander to him saying those things. Watch AG Barr when he speaks, he looks like a beaten dog. He lacks any confidence when defending the use of force on rioters. That these people would let one man do this to them is pretty sickening. But they choose to continue. Personally, if my boss bullied me, I'd find another job as quickly as I could. There are lots of them out there. How do you explain their comments then, to their comments now? I'm sure once Trump was elected, he met with Graham after a day or two and played those videos, and told him he was going to be his bitch.

And I do love how you simply try to spin my post, instead of offering any sort of legitimate response to the actual content. It's classic, and while I tried to be open minded with you, you're making it really hard to have any sort of respect for you. Again, not because of your views on things, but for your actions and the way you respond to people. I can accept differing views, I live in Texas and am surrounded by people who support Trump and while I don't understand it, I don't attack them for it. I debate with them, naturally, and they are actually able to engage in intelligent conversation and provide some reasonable view points. They aren't quite as fanatical as you seem to be, and they have successfully made me consider many things about my stance on issues. Because I'm open minded, and when the other side of the story is presented to me, I am able to process it and refine my views as I become more educated. Conversations aren't one sided, but that is really the way you seem to view them here. I feel as though you've been completely desensitized to the world around you. You turn away from knowledge, in order to support your own views, which is that phrase I keep repeating... Willful Ignorance. Pretty sure you'll be on ignore soon enough so I don't get baited into feeding your troll posts any more. It's been super fun though bud! Just remember, it doesn't have to be this way. Everyone can achieve personal growth. But only YOU can prevent forest fires.
06-04-2020, 11:57 PM
Blazar

Also, I'll go ahead and fact check myself. I was incorrect as he has been named Time Magazine's person of the year. I had seen the cover but had thought it was satire. Upon further research, he was named person of the year in 2016. The "President of the Divided States of America" led me to believe it was satire, but I didn't look hard enough. Fitting enough I guess, especially considering where we are now.
06-05-2020, 12:16 AM
Jeril

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazar

Let's agree to just ignore each other's post from here on out, but since you're trying to spin my post, here goes. I never said you can't have opinions or feel any certain way. This entire time I have encouraged you to be open minded and civil, that's all. A request for you to acknowledge that not 'every person who has a liberal view' in any way is wrong before they even open their mouths. That doesn't mean that I don't have an opinion, and I definitely have an opinion on Trump and will share it as I please. However, I will do it without lowering myself to attacking others. Disliking Trump isn't an extreme leftist view. The man is a self serving narcissist. I don't like any of those types of people. I worked for one and it was miserable. It's pretty simple to see if you're not too busy stroking his ego and defending every dumb thing he does. Which is all being president is to him, a way to profit and stroke his own ego, trophies he collects through the years. Mind you, and I will say this without a doubt in my mind, Trump doesn't give two shits about America or the people. Pretty sure he won't ever get his Time Magazine Person of the Year Award though, even though he craves it so badly. Small victories I guess.

I didn't say any of those quotes, these are Republicans who now pander to him saying those things. Watch AG Barr when he speaks, he looks like a beaten dog. He lacks any confidence when defending the use of force on rioters. That these people would let one man do this to them is pretty sickening. But they choose to continue. Personally, if my boss bullied me, I'd find another job as quickly as I could. There are lots of them out there. How do you explain their comments then, to their comments now? I'm sure once Trump was elected, he met with Graham after a day or two and played those videos, and told him he was going to be his bitch.

And I do love how you simply try to spin my post, instead of offering any sort of legitimate response to the actual content. It's classic, and while I tried to be open minded with you, you're making it really hard to have any sort of respect for you. Again, not because of your views on things, but for your actions and the way you respond to people. I can accept differing views, I live in Texas and am surrounded by people who support Trump and while I don't understand it, I don't attack them for it. I debate with them, naturally, and they are actually able to engage in intelligent conversation and provide some reasonable view points. They aren't quite as fanatical as you seem to be, and they have successfully made me consider many things about my stance on issues. Because I'm open minded, and when the other side of the story is presented to me, I am able to process it and refine my views as I become more educated. Conversations aren't one sided, but that is really the way you seem to view them here. I feel as though you've been completely desensitized to the world around you. You turn away from knowledge, in order to support your own views, which is that phrase I keep repeating... Willful Ignorance. Pretty sure you'll be on ignore soon enough so I don't get baited into feeding your troll posts any more. It's been super fun though bud! Just remember, it doesn't have to be this way. Everyone can achieve personal growth. But only YOU can prevent forest fires.

Do you even bother to read your own posts with an open mind before you hit the send button? You come off rather condescending there. And have you looked at the DNC and what it has become? That's the reason why we have Trump as our president. He has flaws for sure but do you even bother to try and understand why people overlook the flaws of those they align with politically?

And it isn't just on the side of Republicans. Anyone in politics these days is morally repugnant, even if they haven't done anything incredibly wrong themselves the fact that they just go with the flow instead of fighting what politics has become shows an extreme lack of character, it's rather sad.

You speak of fear and that is what politics has been in this country for many years, a game of fear. Many people vote not because they whole heartily agree with a candidate but simply because they fear the other person more.
06-05-2020, 12:42 AM
Blazar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeril

Do you even bother to read your own posts with an open mind before you hit the send button? You come off rather condescending there. And have you looked at the DNC and what it has become? That's the reason why we have Trump as our president. He has flaws for sure but do you even bother to try and understand why people overlook the flaws of those they align with politically?

And it isn't just on the side of Republicans. Anyone in politics these days is morally repugnant, even if they haven't done anything incredibly wrong themselves the fact that they just go with the flow instead of fighting what politics has become shows an extreme lack of character, it's rather sad.

You speak of fear and that is what politics has been in this country for many years, a game of fear. Many people vote not because they whole heartily agree with a candidate but simply because they fear the other person more.

I completely agree with you about the current state of politics in this country. I don't agree with 'anyone in politics these days is morally repugnant'. I believe that some of them still believe in doing the right thing, Dem and Rep, even if they don't go about it the right way. It's too hard to make that sweeping of a generalization. I've been pretty clear in other posts that I'm definitely not a Democrat either, and believe that a two party system doesn't fit our society any more. I vote for who I feel would do the best job. Having only 2 choices, and essentially picking the lesser of two evils is not a good solution. I vote every election because I believe that if you don't, you don't have any right to complain. It's the first step in taking any action. I voted Libertarian last election, because I didn't like either choice, and while I knew they weren't going to win, I didn't support either of those evils. This whole state of things is the entire system breaking down. I voted for Obama in both elections before that because I believed in his message, if not every policy stance. I can't say I've voted for a Republican, but if one came along that made more sense and was a better person in my estimation, I would not hesitate to vote for them. My views are not constrained to one political party, and I don't idolize any of them. They are people, doing a job, and they should do it well or do something else. I don't form attachments to any politicians.

In regards to the condescension, you're right, and while I do read my posts, I let it go. He's wearing down my patience, but I shouldn't let it get to me. I don't claim to be perfect, but I do make an effort to be understanding. More for me to work on.
06-05-2020, 01:44 AM
Jeril

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazar

I completely agree with you about the current state of politics in this country. I don't agree with 'anyone in politics these days is morally repugnant'. I believe that some of them still believe in doing the right thing, Dem and Rep, even if they don't go about it the right way. It's too hard to make that sweeping of a generalization. I've been pretty clear in other posts that I'm definitely not a Democrat either, and believe that a two party system doesn't fit our society any more. I vote for who I feel would do the best job. Having only 2 choices, and essentially picking the lesser of two evils is not a good solution. I vote every election because I believe that if you don't, you don't have any right to complain. It's the first step in taking any action. I voted Libertarian last election, because I didn't like either choice, and while I knew they weren't going to win, I didn't support either of those evils. This whole state of things is the entire system breaking down. I voted for Obama in both elections before that because I believed in his message, if not every policy stance. I can't say I've voted for a Republican, but if one came along that made more sense and was a better person in my estimation, I would not hesitate to vote for them. My views are not constrained to one political party, and I don't idolize any of them. They are people, doing a job, and they should do it well or do something else. I don't form attachments to any politicians.

In regards to the condescension, you're right, and while I do read my posts, I let it go. He's wearing down my patience, but I shouldn't let it get to me. I don't claim to be perfect, but I do make an effort to be understanding. More for me to work on.

I think many of them just claim to be about doing the right thing because it sounds good. If they truly believed in what they were saying they wouldn't go about doing things the wrong way.

Some likely do start off from the right place but I think living the life of a politician ends up corrupting them. It is just too easy of a slippery slope to fall down. They do some good when they get in then either themselves or others convince them that it's ok to do a little bad to stay in office because they did that little bit of good, and they'll do more good things to make up for it. But, before too long they become what they entered politics to fight in the first place.

This is the biggest reason why people want term limits. For most people it takes sometime to wear down their morals. Of course if you look at today's politics they don't even seem like a requirement any more. Just say you hate the other guy and one maybe two things a person can agree with and you've got their vote.

Hard not to blame you in regards to Tgo. He comes across as frothing at the mouth with every post he makes. If you want to converse with him you are going to have to try and tune that out and focus on the content of his posts, and worry less about his tone.

When Obama ran I thought McCain was the better choice but he blundered there at the end during the third debate and that likely cost him the election. I did like Obama's message of hope and change but his first term brought none of that. It was rather disappointing, the democrats had a real shot at making positive changes but none of them ever happened. Even the ACA was a disappointment, it should have been a single payer system but for no apparent reason it wasn't. Then for whatever reason the DNC decided it was a good idea to shove Hilary down the throats of the American public, so now we have Trump.

And it isn't like the republicans have done much better. They had a shot under Bush just like the dems had a shot under Obama.

Trump has clearly done some good for the country but it isn't like he is without his faults. As you've pointed out he has a very divisive leadership style and has done little to help bring the country together as a whole. He also says a lot of stupid things that people like to latch onto and not let go of. I am sure he hasn't really done much with education in regards with the direction I'd like to see it go. A lot of the change that people claim to want for the country would come from changing our educational system but that is a lot of time and money and people don't want to make the investment. Like a spoiled child they want their change and they want it now without realizing what it would take to make it a reality.
06-05-2020, 02:22 AM
Blazar

I agree with a lot of what you're saying there, but still have a hard time making that generalization, simply because I have to believe that there's still some good people that haven't let go of their morals running this country. Maybe that's my willful ignorance or blind hope in humanity. If there's not, then we're really screwed. And I don't profess to know of any, I can't claim I know whether anyone truly does. I follow events generally, not politicians. Trump makes it hard to ignore him though. I also agree that the corruption is likely a function of the environment they are in. It's become so common place, starts small, and gets bigger.

100% agree with term limits as well. I don't think those could be enacted fast enough. It seems people are much more willing to speak their mind and do the right thing when they aren't worried about getting re-elected. Goes for both sides of the fence, they're all swaying in the wind trying to get votes and those videos I posted are a good example of that. Limits would do a lot to get things moving in the right direction.

I also wholeheartedly agree on education reform. I don't think we could spend enough on education and you're right about it being a lot of the change we need. I think it's less about spending the time and money, but I believe a lot of the powerful people in our world don't want an educated general population, and while it may sound a little conspiracy theorist, it's harder to control and manipulate educated people. Not impossible, but harder. There's sound logic behind it, and I'm not claiming it's fact, just my feelings on the matter. I don't see any real excuse for the way we're doing it, and the lack of funding in some areas. I would love to see more focus on education, and more parents that care about their kid's future.

Tgo... PB... as much as I like a good debate and don't mind different points of view, they don't contribute anything of value, so I'd rather spend my time conversing with people who can maintain some level of rationality and civility. While I respect his right to post and believe what he wants, I also respect my right to ignore it and not feed it. And it bothers me when the liberal posters attack them too. I think it's senseless and just feeds into the hatred more. When I first started reading the forums again a few days ago, I fed into that hate hard, and I went down to that level, called them names, etc. in some anonymous rep. So I get that I likely won't be able to get through to them, because as soon as I did that I alienated them. That's all that happens when we spew hate. So it's best for us to just not have discourse. I reflected a lot on it, and it made me realize how systemic and easy hatred has become for us. While it wasn't a normal behavior for me, I did it and I regret it and I own that.

I honestly have a hard time seeing much good Trump's done, and the hate and divisiveness surely outweighs it in my eyes, and definitely makes it hard to see any good at all. Not to mention the environmental regulations he's rolled back... we can only hope people do the right thing in that regard without the regulation, but we know that's unlikely. I also can't find any respect for a person who has no problem lying thousands of times. It's one thing to mis-speak, and when something comes to light, you admit you were wrong. It's another to lie and assert your statement as truth even though it is verifiable that it is not true. I just don't think anything Trump could do could redeem himself in my eyes as a respectable person, but I also know I can't predict the future and everyone is capable of change, no matter how far gone they may be. Graham, Barr, etc... I still think there's some hope for them, but I'm honestly not counting on it.