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03-25-2018, 10:38 PM
cwolff

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Originally Posted by drauz

AR-15 is just a style. It's just cosmetic changes to rifles. What you would want to set a limit on is magazine capacity. So, yes it would touch the bill of rights pretty heavily.

Did you know that AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle?

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Originally Posted by drauz

I'm saying that starting small isn't the worst thing. CPR lessons should be taught in high school/middle school either way. The chances they get meaningless gun control passed is small. Their spokesperson seems to be a child that isn't even informed on the subject.

I like where this is going because I have some ideas. Fuck the assault weapons ban and trying to define what one is. That's about impossible and there will be a workaround.

What I'd do is this: make semi automatic illegal, max capacitys of 5 for a rifle, 3 shotgun, and like 9 or 10 for handguns. So, manual actions only and low capacities.

To the argument that a rifle by any other name is just a rifle I say this: is there a difference between a corvette and a mini van? Same thing thing right? Both have 4 tires, engines, steering wheels, brakes etc...The ar15 was made by armalite to sell to military. Its a weapon purpose built for killing humans. It ain't some tool used to a purpose. Its simply a big boy toy. Like a barbie doll. You can dress it up, change the handrails, paint it pink or whatever. Its high time for American men to grow up and set these toys aside.

P.S. - I get what your saying about starting small and I'm cool with that. My real problem is with the mentality behind these toys but there's no way to legislate that
03-25-2018, 10:39 PM
Latrinsorm

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Originally Posted by drauz

AR-15 is just a style. It's just cosmetic changes to rifles. What you would want to set a limit on is magazine capacity. So, yes it would touch the bill of rights pretty heavily.

Fyock v. Sunnyvale. No, no it wouldn't.

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Did you know that AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle?

Yes.

Stop buying into the hype. There are no binaries. There are only sliders. Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, but you can't shout fire in a crowded theater. No person shall be deprived of liberty without due process of law, but American citizens were sent to Gitmo, internment camps, etc. You're not on the side of patriotism - no one is.
03-25-2018, 10:42 PM
Androidpk

Make semi-automatics illegal? No thanks.
03-25-2018, 10:54 PM
cwolff

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

Make semi-automatics illegal? No thanks.

I know, and it sucks, but you got to have a strong law. Otherwise some genius will invent a gadget to feed rounds without pausing to reload. Look at the bump stock. Gun owners who want to be respected as responsible should have demanded that thing get outlawed. Even after Las Vegas no one did shit about it and that's a no brainer.

If we had the responsible gun owner community that I think we used to have, none of this stuff would even be a subject for discussion.
03-25-2018, 10:59 PM
Androidpk

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Originally Posted by cwolff

I know, and it sucks, but you got to have a strong law. Otherwise some genius will invent a gadget to feed rounds without pausing to reload. Look at the bump stock. Gun owners who want to be respected as responsible should have demanded that thing get outlawed. Even after Las Vegas no one did shit about it and that's a no brainer.

If we had the responsible gun owner community that I think we used to have, none of this stuff would even be a subject for discussion.

What makes you think we don't have responsible gun ownership at large? A very small % are used for large scale crimes. Start with stricter buying/ownership laws.
03-25-2018, 11:02 PM
drauz

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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm

Fyock v. Sunnyvale. No, no it wouldn't.Yes.

Stop buying into the hype. There are no binaries. There are only sliders. Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, but you can't shout fire in a crowded theater. No person shall be deprived of liberty without due process of law, but American citizens were sent to Gitmo, internment camps, etc. You're not on the side of patriotism - no one is.

You said ban AR-15s. Capacity =/= banning weapons. Like I said AR-15s are just a style. Think of it like someone being emo, they dress the part and wear some eyeshadow but they are still human underneath.

That is why I said to focus on magazine capacity.
03-25-2018, 11:04 PM
cwolff

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

What makes you think we don't have responsible gun ownership at large? A very small % are used for large scale crimes. Start with stricter buying/ownership laws.

I think that ship sailed. Individuals may be responsible at home no doubt but as a community they lost their way. The NRA is nuts anymore and as I said above, if the gun loving community was responsible they'd have stopped bump stocks from being a thing. And the %'s for mass shootings are indeed exceedingly small but their impact is absolutely enormous. Its the bad Apple theory. The gun owners (myself included) have failed to step up so now I say we have to do it for them.
03-25-2018, 11:05 PM
Gelston

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Originally Posted by drauz

You said ban AR-15s. Capacity =/= banning weapons. Like I said AR-15s are just a style. Think of it like someone being emo, they dress the part and wear some eyeshadow but they are still human underneath.

That is why I said to focus on magazine capacity.

A lot of states do that too. some states have laws in place where the magazine has to be welded in place too, so you have to load the weapon M1 garande style. All i know is that I still have tons of 30 round mags from when I was in, so :P
03-25-2018, 11:07 PM
Androidpk

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Originally Posted by cwolff

I think that ship sailed. Individuals may be responsible at home no doubt but as a community they lost their way. The NRA is nuts anymore and as I said above, if the gun loving community was responsible they'd have stopped bump stocks from being a thing. And the %'s for mass shootings are indeed exceedingly small but their impact is absolutely enormous. Its the bad Apple theory. The gun owners (myself included) have failed to step up so now I say we have to do it for them.

Nope, not buying that excuse.
03-25-2018, 11:11 PM
drauz

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Originally Posted by cwolff

I know, and it sucks, but you got to have a strong law. Otherwise some genius will invent a gadget to feed rounds without pausing to reload. Look at the bump stock. Gun owners who want to be respected as responsible should have demanded that thing get outlawed. Even after Las Vegas no one did shit about it and that's a no brainer.

If we had the responsible gun owner community that I think we used to have, none of this stuff would even be a subject for discussion.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...mp-stocks.html

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