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Great link. Yes, its on a Democratic site, but every statement has a source. (the date at the end of each statement0Quote:
Originally posted by Ilvane
I'm tired of hearing about Kerry being a flip-flopper when Bush is really good at doing that himself.
This is a good link, from a notable Democratic site. :)
http://www.americanprogress.org/site...VF&b=42263
-A
Thats how Democrats play it for the most part, with facts, not scrounging for things to distort like Republicans do.
Dear Backlash;
You DO realize the Kerry campaign.. with the help of some 527 groups... has 10x the number of commercials putting down Bush.. right?
Tell me you didn't see any of the bullshit MoveOn.org commercials.
Oh wait.. you didn't have a problem with them. Of course not.
I personally believe that all those 527 groups should be banned from any sort of advertising during a Presidential campaign.
Dear PB,
Despite what you may think about me, PB, I'm not some noob in the park.
Of course the Kerry campaign has ads that criticize Bush based on FACTS, thats what candidates do. And yes I know about MoveOn.org and their distortions.
I don't mind the "soft money" ads, but I do mind they aren't always factual. Here is a petition asking the FCC to make sure all political ads, no matter who produces them, be scrutinized for for the truth and not allow decietful ads.
Love and kisses,
Backlash
PS. Don't put words or anything else in my mouth.
Moveon.org can go a little too far. I really enjoy the commercials that are issue attacks, because those are fair game, when someone is trying to make a point that they are different than the other canditate. What Bush and some of the Republican groups do is make personal attacks on the one running against them, rather than running on the real issues at hand.
-A
I wish I could play in your little fantasy world where Kerry and his campaign does nothing wrong and Bush does nothing right.
You forgot this article:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...cism_of_kerry/
WASHINGTON -- A week after Senator John F. Kerry heralded his wartime experience by surrounding himself at the Democratic convention with his Vietnam ''Band of Brothers," a separate group of veterans has launched a television ad campaign and a book that questions the basis for some of Kerry's combat medals.
But yesterday, a key figure in the anti-Kerry campaign, Kerry's former commanding officer, backed off one of the key contentions. Lieutenant Commander George Elliott said in an interview that he had made a ''terrible mistake" in signing an affidavit that suggests Kerry did not deserve the Silver Star -- one of the main allegations in the book. The affidavit was given to The Boston Globe by the anti-Kerry group to justify assertions in their ad and book.
I'll (can't speak for the other Bush supporters) stop calling Kerry a flip-flopper if you stop calling Bush dumb. Deal?Quote:
Originally posted by Ilvane
I'm tired of hearing about Kerry being a flip-flopper when Bush is really good at doing that himself.
(p.s: the site would be a lot more effective if more than 24% of it was Bush vs. Bush, as opposed to Bush vs. UCS or Bush vs. Salon)
Wanted to post this site, FactCheck.org. Been watching it for a while now. I'm pretty confident they are truly non-partisan. They've busted MoveOn.org's ads, as well as some Republican ads.
Check out the archives. They cut through the spin and give you the real deal.
I like factcheck.org myself. I use it a lot as a source. And the do go both sides of the issues and call them both on exaggerations, or things that aren't true at all, flat out.
-A
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=222
For those of you that still think that Bush lied in his State of the Union address about Iraq's attempts to get nuclear material from Niger
A British intelligence review released July 14 calls Bush’s 16 words “well founded.”
A separate report by the US Senate Intelligence Committee said July 7 that the US also had similar information from “a number of intelligence reports,” a fact that was classified at the time Bush spoke.
Ironically, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who later called Bush’s 16 words a “lie”, supplied information that the Central Intelligence Agency took as confirmation that Iraq may indeed have been seeking uranium from Niger .
Both the US and British investigations make clear that some forged Italian documents, exposed as fakes soon after Bush spoke, were not the basis for the British intelligence Bush cited, or the CIA's conclusion that Iraq was trying to get uranium.
So, from your own site that you recomend, it sure looked like what Bush said was not a lie, and at the time, was based on good intelligence, both from the CIA and British Intelligence. Or would any of you like to point out wich crystal ball he should have been using to discover the truth?
As far as WMD in Iraq? How 'bout this...go ask the Kurds that he used Saren nerve gas against if he had them, hmmm? Or perhaps the Iranians that he used mustard gas (as well as other Chemical weapons against) if he had them. Remember folks, he had 8+ YEARS after the first war to hide the stuff...i mean, go back and read the news articles about his refusal to let U.N. weapon inspectors into suspected manufacturing sites, that is, untill a convoy of trucks left the site, then it was "sure, come on in and inspect...nothing to hide here". And think about this as well....the border to Syria is how far away? And how many of his Cabinet members where heading there before they got caught?
And one last thing...notice that the WMD not being found has suddenly become a moot point in the News? When's the last time it was brought up? If they where found...oh...lets say...buried out in the middle of the desert somewhere....like some planes that HAVE been found...would you REALLY like it if it was reported in the News that there where such weapons lying around out there...and no one knew where? Al Queda would sure like to get ahold of a few of them i would imagine...and any number of other Terrorist orginizations as well...so suddenly, it becomes a "null issue" in the campaign of both Bush and Kerry...
Maybe i'm being a tad paranoid...but you really want to risk it?