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10-05-2023, 12:59 PM
Neveragain

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Originally Posted by Seran

But that is the problem, McCarthy spent more time placating the extremist wing of his own party and burned bridges with House Dems. There's enough moderate to near right Dems that compromise bills to see cuts and other concessions for lefty agendas likely would have seen passage despite the far left. But McCarthy didn't do that, the was so afraid of seeing himself deposed by working with the Dems he instead got nothing done and was STILL deposed for doing the right thing in the CR. I doubt the Democrats would like whomever is the next Speaker, but you're right in that they deserve whomever they get.

It must have been the burning bridges that made the Democrat pull the fire alarm.
10-05-2023, 01:00 PM
Parkbandit

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Originally Posted by Seran

But that is the problem, McCarthy spent more time placating the extremist wing of his own party and burned bridges with House Dems. There's enough moderate to near right Dems that compromise bills to see cuts and other concessions for lefty agendas likely would have seen passage despite the far left. But McCarthy didn't do that, the was so afraid of seeing himself deposed by working with the Dems he instead got nothing done and was STILL deposed for doing the right thing in the CR. I doubt the Democrats would like whomever is the next Speaker, but you're right in that they deserve whomever they get.

Which moderate to near right Dems in the House are you referring to?
10-05-2023, 01:21 PM
Anebriated

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Which moderate to near right Dems in the House are you referring to?

Might be referring to the Cuckservatives...
10-05-2023, 01:24 PM
Suppressed Poet

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Originally Posted by Seran

But that is the problem, McCarthy spent more time placating the extremist wing of his own party and burned bridges with House Dems. There's enough moderate to near right Dems that compromise bills to see cuts and other concessions for lefty agendas likely would have seen passage despite the far left. But McCarthy didn't do that, the was so afraid of seeing himself deposed by working with the Dems he instead got nothing done and was STILL deposed for doing the right thing in the CR. I doubt the Democrats would like whomever is the next Speaker, but you're right in that they deserve whomever they get.

However one feels about it good/bad/indifferent, McCarthy wasn’t willing to let a shutdown happen. He reached across the aisle for a 45 day CR. We can both imagine what Jim Jordan would do. For McCarthy’s efforts, the same Dems that voted with him to pass a CR immediately turned on him to oust him from Speakership. I never like McCarthy. He isn’t conservative enough for me. I respect his adherence to doing what he thought was right with avoiding the shutdown. Tough to say if he understood the risk and this would happen to him, but he should have. Part of me feels bad for him and part of me agrees he deserved his fate. This is where compromising leads you in the House.

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10-05-2023, 01:35 PM
Seran

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Which moderate to near right Dems in the House are you referring to?

All of the Blue Dog Democrats for starters. Rep. Tom O’Halleran (AZ-01), Rep. Ed Case (HI-01), Rep. Stephanie Murphy (FL-07), Rep. Carolyn Bourdeaux (GA-07), Rep. Sanford Bishop (GA-02), Rep. Jim Cooper (TN-05), Rep. Lou Correa (CA-46), Rep. Jim Costa (CA-16), Rep. Charlie Crist (FL-13), Rep. Henry Cuellar (TX-28), Rep. Jared Golden (ME-02), Rep. Vicente Gonzalez (TX-15), Rep. Josh Gottheimer (NJ-05), Rep. Brad Schneider (IL-10), Rep. Kurt Schrader (OR-05), Rep. David Scott (GA-13), Rep. Mikie Sherrill (NJ-11), Rep. Abigail Spanberger (VA-07), Rep. Mike Thompson (CA-05).
10-05-2023, 01:44 PM
Suppressed Poet

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Originally Posted by Seran

All of the Blue Dog Democrats for starters. Rep. Tom O’Halleran (AZ-01), Rep. Ed Case (HI-01), Rep. Stephanie Murphy (FL-07), Rep. Carolyn Bourdeaux (GA-07), Rep. Sanford Bishop (GA-02), Rep. Jim Cooper (TN-05), Rep. Lou Correa (CA-46), Rep. Jim Costa (CA-16), Rep. Charlie Crist (FL-13), Rep. Henry Cuellar (TX-28), Rep. Jared Golden (ME-02), Rep. Vicente Gonzalez (TX-15), Rep. Josh Gottheimer (NJ-05), Rep. Brad Schneider (IL-10), Rep. Kurt Schrader (OR-05), Rep. David Scott (GA-13), Rep. Mikie Sherrill (NJ-11), Rep. Abigail Spanberger (VA-07), Rep. Mike Thompson (CA-05).

I don’t know a lot on this list, but Vincente Gonzalez…lol. I guess it’s all relative when you say near right. Compared to AOC? Maybe. He is still very much left of center.
10-05-2023, 02:47 PM
Parkbandit

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Originally Posted by Seran

All of the Blue Dog Democrats for starters. Rep. Tom O’Halleran (AZ-01), Rep. Ed Case (HI-01), Rep. Stephanie Murphy (FL-07), Rep. Carolyn Bourdeaux (GA-07), Rep. Sanford Bishop (GA-02), Rep. Jim Cooper (TN-05), Rep. Lou Correa (CA-46), Rep. Jim Costa (CA-16), Rep. Charlie Crist (FL-13), Rep. Henry Cuellar (TX-28), Rep. Jared Golden (ME-02), Rep. Vicente Gonzalez (TX-15), Rep. Josh Gottheimer (NJ-05), Rep. Brad Schneider (IL-10), Rep. Kurt Schrader (OR-05), Rep. David Scott (GA-13), Rep. Mikie Sherrill (NJ-11), Rep. Abigail Spanberger (VA-07), Rep. Mike Thompson (CA-05).

Hey, at least you tried to come up with a list instead of just saying "GOOGLE IT YOURSELF!"

So, let's take a look at these "moderate to near right Dems" and look at their voting record in this Congress. Let's just look at the number of times they sided with Republicans and did not vote with their own caucus:

Rep. Tom O’Halleran - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Ed Case - 0
Rep. Stephanie Murphy - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Carolyn Bourdeaux - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Sanford Bishop - 0
Rep. Jim Cooper - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Lou Correa - 0
Rep. Jim Costa - 0
Rep. Charlie Crist - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Henry Cuellar - 1
Rep. Jared Golden - 2
Rep. Vicente Gonzalez - 0
Rep. Josh Gottheimer - 0
Rep. Brad Schneider - 0
Rep. Kurt Schrader - No longer in Congress.
Rep. David Scott - 0
Rep. Mikie Sherrill - 0
Rep. Abigail Spanberger - 0
Rep. Mike Thompson - 0

So... of your big list (and I'm very impressed with your copy/paste efforts) your list of 19 members that Speaker McCarthy should have worked with.. 6 are not even in Congress.. 11 have not voted against their caucus in 2023.. BUT TWO HAVE VOTED WITH THE REPUBLICANS!

So Rep Henry Cuellar voted ONE time against his caucus.. and Jared Golden voted TWO times against his caucus.

Yea, you gave us a list of real renegades of the Democrat Party.....
10-05-2023, 02:50 PM
Parkbandit

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

I don’t know a lot on this list, but Vincente Gonzalez…lol. I guess it’s all relative when you say near right. Compared to AOC? Maybe. He is still very much left of center.

AOC has voted against her caucus more times than Vincente Gonzalez.
10-05-2023, 03:08 PM
Methais

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10-05-2023, 03:37 PM
Seran

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Hey, at least you tried to come up with a list instead of just saying "GOOGLE IT YOURSELF!"

So, let's take a look at these "moderate to near right Dems" and look at their voting record in this Congress. Let's just look at the number of times they sided with Republicans and did not vote with their own caucus:

Rep. Tom O’Halleran - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Ed Case - 0
Rep. Stephanie Murphy - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Carolyn Bourdeaux - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Sanford Bishop - 0
Rep. Jim Cooper - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Lou Correa - 0
Rep. Jim Costa - 0
Rep. Charlie Crist - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Henry Cuellar - 1
Rep. Jared Golden - 2
Rep. Vicente Gonzalez - 0
Rep. Josh Gottheimer - 0
Rep. Brad Schneider - 0
Rep. Kurt Schrader - No longer in Congress.
Rep. David Scott - 0
Rep. Mikie Sherrill - 0
Rep. Abigail Spanberger - 0
Rep. Mike Thompson - 0

So... of your big list (and I'm very impressed with your copy/paste efforts) your list of 19 members that Speaker McCarthy should have worked with.. 6 are not even in Congress.. 11 have not voted against their caucus in 2023.. BUT TWO HAVE VOTED WITH THE REPUBLICANS!

So Rep Henry Cuellar voted ONE time against his caucus.. and Jared Golden voted TWO times against his caucus.

Yea, you gave us a list of real renegades of the Democrat Party.....

Given the amount of dogshit bills that were actually put to a vote by McCarthy in the current Congress I can't say I'm surprised.

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