Similarities between Nazis and Republicans

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

Soo, as I have been saying. Democrats are the only major party that supports the murder of 130,000 black Americans every year.

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You still haven't established how abortion is murder, so your undemonstrated claim continues to be meaningless. Better luck bullshitting in a circle next time, though.

Murder: the "unlawful" premeditated killing of one human being by another.

I quoted the unlawful only because that is the topic of argument. Even using the crusty old "it's a zygote" argument, which I already demonstrated as the red herring it is, abortion is indeed the premeditated killing of one human being by another.

You believe it's ok to murder little black humans, I believe it's not ok to murder humans at all. I'm not sure why this makes you blow a gasket, I don't want to kill people, it's really weird you are so hateful because I don't want to murder humans?

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

Nope. Each of your trillions of cells may be "human," but that doesn't mean they're a person, a required element for your magical assertion that "abortion is murder." You weren't able to lay out a coherent argument this time. Better luck next time. And the next time. And the next time.



And draconian measures to punish murder -- from the death penalty to mass incarceration -- don't work, either, but it looks like you know as little about criminology as you do about biology. No surprise, there. If the justice system were a complete solution to murder, they wouldn't still be happening. And specifically, there's a fair amount of evidence that the murder rate has gone down in recent decades specifically because of Roe v. Wade.



You asked this question, already, and it was answered. Are you having a stroke? Or are you just bullshitting in circles for its own sake? (Ding, ding, ding, ding!)

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

"In multicellular organisms, the zygote is the earliest developmental stage."

In this case, that organism is a human.

"Abortions have been happening far longer than Christianity has been around. And from a realistic stand point you aren't going to be able to completely get rid of them. So the next best thing would be to do what one can to reduce their number."

Murder has been around before Christianity as well, will not putting murders in prison reduce murder rates?

If it's not murder, why do you feel the need to reduce the numbers?

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I feel we do a lot of wasteful things, doesn't make them a crime.

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Originally Posted by Jeril

I feel we do a lot of wasteful things, doesn't make them a crime.

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Do only what your conscience will allow you to live with.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

Murder: the "unlawful" premeditated killing of one human being by another.

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Best of luck figuring out the reason why people aren't currently being charged for murder for having abortions either under federal law, or any state law. Hint: It's the root of your confusion here.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

I quoted the unlawful only because that is the topic of argument. Even using the crusty old "it's a zygote" argument, which I already demonstrated as the red herring it is, abortion is indeed the premeditated killing of one human being by another.

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You can characterize the root of your confusion as a "crusty old argument" all you like -- all it means is that religious zealots have failed to come up with a counterargument able to convince society, or the courts.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

You believe it's ok to murder little black humans, I believe it's not ok to murder humans at all. I'm not sure why this makes you blow a gasket, I don't want to kill people, it's really weird you are so hateful because I don't want to murder humans?

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You've selectively limited the scope of the morality of abortion to black humans, out of an effort to emotionally (and disingenuously) frame the argument as an issue of race, which it isn't, rather than of universal human rights, which it is. Sorry you're butthurt that society doesn't agree with your fringe, religiously-based, science-free vision of the world, but them's the breaks. That's your role as a right-wing religious kook: to be laughed at, ignored, and moved past. Better luck coming up with a coherent argument next time.

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

Best of luck figuring out the reason why people aren't currently being charged for murder for having abortions either under federal law, or any state law. Hint: It's the root of your confusion here.



You can characterize the root of your confusion as a "crusty old argument" all you like -- all it means is that religious zealots have failed to come up with a counterargument able to convince society, or the courts.



You've selectively limited the scope of the morality of abortion to black humans, out of an effort to emotionally (and disingenuously) frame the argument as an issue of race, which it isn't, rather than of universal human rights, which it is. Sorry you're butthurt that society doesn't agree with your fringe, religiously-based, science-free vision of the world, but them's the breaks. That's your role as a right-wing religious kook: to be laughed at, ignored, and moved past. Better luck coming up with a coherent argument next time.

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As said.. do what your conscience will allow you to live with. Legal/Illegal are just constructs.

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Originally Posted by Shaps

As said.. do what your conscience will allow you to live with. Legal/Illegal are just constructs.

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I agree with you. (Shocker, I know). Abortion is a personal question, and decided by the person who's pregnant. Progressives have already met conservatives half-way with efforts to reduce abortion without trampling on people's rights. But to the ideologically "pure," nothing short of prohibition, and chucking women in prison will suffice. Which not only doesn't work in reducing abortion, it's morally repugnant.

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

Best of luck figuring out the reason why people aren't currently being charged for murder for having abortions either under federal law, or any state law. Hint: It's the root of your confusion here.



You can characterize the root of your confusion as a "crusty old argument" all you like -- all it means is that religious zealots have failed to come up with a counterargument able to convince society, or the courts.



You've selectively limited the scope of the morality of abortion to black humans, out of an effort to emotionally (and disingenuously) frame the argument as an issue of race, which it isn't, rather than of universal human rights, which it is. Sorry you're butthurt that society doesn't agree with your fringe, religiously-based, science-free vision of the world, but them's the breaks. That's your role as a right-wing religious kook: to be laughed at, ignored, and moved past. Better luck coming up with a coherent argument next time.

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So mad that I don't want to murder black babies.

You're bigotry towards religion and support for genocide is telling. You're policies have ended the life of over 6 million black American lives since 1973.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

So mad that I don't want to murder black babies.

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So mad that you haven't been able to establish that abortions "murder babies," or that you didn't have a retort to your selectively applied limitation of the scope of morality of abortion to blacks as a cheap emotional tactic. And, you guessed it, Republicans are the ones who oppose effective measures to reduce abortions - i.e., comprehensive sex education, on purely religious grounds, which have no place in public policy.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

You're bigotry towards religion and support for genocide is telling. You're policies have ended the life of over 6 million black American lives since 1973.

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It's "your," not "you're," and beeteedubs, you voted for Trump, who actually had a policy of genocide as per the Geneva Convention, of which the US is a signatory. Better luck next time laying out a coherent argument, though.

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

So mad that you haven't been able to establish that abortions "murder babies," or that you didn't have a retort to your selectively applied limitation of the scope of morality of abortion to blacks as a cheap emotional tactic. And, you guessed it, Republicans are the ones who oppose effective measures to reduce abortions - i.e., comprehensive sex education, on purely religious grounds, which have no place in public policy.



It's "your," not "you're," and beeteedubs, you voted for Trump, who actually had a policy of genocide as per the Geneva Convention, of which the US is a signatory. Better luck next time laying out a coherent argument, though.

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Easier if you just admit it.. it is legal murder. Is what it is. No use trying to sugar coat it. Would resolve a lot of the back and forth on the topic.