FBI raid on Trump's home

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Originally Posted by ClydeR

Agreed. I don't see anything wrong with giving a former President slightly better treatment -- and slightly more benefit of the doubt -- in the courts than the average person receives. Besides, in addition to reviewing claims of attorney privilege, which the average person would not be able to have a special master appointed to do, the special master will also review claims of executive privilege. That's not an issue for the average person. In fact, there are only six living people in the United States who could possibly have a claim of executive privilege. Hopefully, none of the other five will do something this dumb.

A special master will slow things down. So what? If someone is to be charged with a crime, then the accused should be given every opportunity to defend against the accusation. Slowing things down may not work in Trump's favor in the long run.

Whether he is charged or not, we will end up at the same place. If Trump is convicted, Biden will pardon him.

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Biden will absolutely not pardon Trump.

The judge stated parties must meet and confer to agree upon a special master, which for top secret, SCI and other defense related materials requires an active an ongoing top level security clearance. That is a list of a could dozen people, almost all of them active government agents or former presidents or vice presidents. With Trump's sole goal being to suppress evidence and delay proceedings, what do you think the chances are of an agreement being reached?

Second, executive privilege doesn't apply to classified intelligence, defense information or other results of executive branch agencies produce in the normal course of their work. This is the bulk of what the DOJ's case is related to, and so a special master is not needed. This was pointed out by dozens of former intelligence officers, and attorneys generals, including Bill Barr the other day.

Third, any communications between Trump's advisors and his being subject to executive privilege which was memorialized in writing is subject to the NARA and subject only to the incumbent president's orders, not that of a former president. I can see executive privilege being applied to verbal communications and testimony between former president and his staffers. United States v Nixon also established executive privilege does not apply to criminal acts.

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Originally Posted by ClydeR

Since it is declassified, where can I get my copy?

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https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/project/nuclear-vault

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Originally Posted by Seran

Biden will absolutely not pardon Trump.

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Biden may not know it yet, but he will pardon Trump if Trump is convicted. There's no way a former President will go to jail, if the only crime was mishandling military secrets. Even if Trump sold it for money, Biden would not let him go to jail. The powerful always protect the powerful.

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Originally Posted by Seran

So much for the Support Blue beliefs of the Republican parties. I think for once organized crime and the GOP are on the same page regarding overthrowing law enforcement.

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No... as always... "Republicans" or any sane person... is for equal application of the law, support the Police and Service Members... and disdain the political appointed partisan leaders that get put in charge - and based on their personal beliefs state untruths...

The fact you "defund the police", rioting and destroying American cities, and calling for the abolishment of the Constitution nutjobs are even allowed to continue to have a voice is absolutely asinine... but that is the world we're living in.

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Originally Posted by ClydeR

Agreed. I don't see anything wrong with giving a former President slightly better treatment -- and slightly more benefit of the doubt -- in the courts than the average person receives. Besides, in addition to reviewing claims of attorney privilege, which the average person would not be able to have a special master appointed to do, the special master will also review claims of executive privilege. That's not an issue for the average person. In fact, there are only six living people in the United States who could possibly have a claim of executive privilege. Hopefully, none of the other five will do something this dumb.

A special master will slow things down. So what? If someone is to be charged with a crime, then the accused should be given every opportunity to defend against the accusation. Slowing things down may not work in Trump's favor in the long run.

Whether he is charged or not, we will end up at the same place. If Trump is convicted, Biden will pardon him.

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100% Clyde - Seran, you should take notes. This is a rational thought regarding this matter.

I'm all for a special master - an unbiased arbiter to go through the materials. If Trump really fucked shit up, so be it. If he didn't, so be it. But I'm not going to believe "unnamed sources" and the select few higher ups in the FBI/DOJ that have conflicts of interest and a proven track record of targeting and falsifying information against their political opponents at face value... that get's parroted by the same "media" that has for 6 years been wrong on so many reports it's almost incalculable at this point.

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Originally Posted by ClydeR

Biden may not know it yet, but he will pardon Trump if Trump is convicted. There's no way a former President will go to jail, if the only crime was mishandling military secrets. Even if Trump sold it for money, Biden would not let him go to jail. The powerful always protect the powerful.

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I sincerely do not believe that would occur, even if Trump's imprisonment for espionage, bribery, obstruction and the various illegal takings of national security secrets were to have all of the 5 conservative talking heads calling for the revolution. Why? The rule of law must prevail if the evidence supports conviction and for a president who attempted to circumvent the democracy itself were to be cut loose, simple because he was a president, then we have no system of justice.

Nixon was pardoned by his vice president following his resignation. If He'd have fought to have stayed in power, I can guarantee Carter would have pursued a special prosecutor. He was majorly outspoken after Nixon was pardoned.

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Originally Posted by Seran

I sincerely do not believe that would occur, even if Trump's imprisonment for espionage, bribery, obstruction and the various illegal takings of national security secrets were to have all of the 5 conservative talking heads calling for the revolution. Why? The rule of law must prevail if the evidence supports conviction and for a president who attempted to circumvent the democracy itself were to be cut loose, simple because he was a president, then we have no system of justice.

Nixon was pardoned by his vice president following his resignation. If He'd have fought to have stayed in power, I can guarantee Carter would have pursued a special prosecutor. He was majorly outspoken after Nixon was pardoned.

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Originally Posted by Seran

I sincerely do not believe that would occur, even if Trump's imprisonment for espionage, bribery, obstruction and the various illegal takings of national security secrets were to have all of the 5 conservative talking heads calling for the revolution. Why? The rule of law must prevail if the evidence supports conviction and for a president who attempted to circumvent the democracy itself were to be cut loose, simple because he was a president, then we have no system of justice.

Nixon was pardoned by his vice president following his resignation. If He'd have fought to have stayed in power, I can guarantee Carter would have pursued a special prosecutor. He was majorly outspoken after Nixon was pardoned.

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dude, get over it. Trump isn't going to jail. that shit doesn't happen here. accept it

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Originally Posted by joeyb

dude, get over it. Trump isn't going to jail. that shit doesn't happen here. accept it

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Yeah Seran. JoeyB speaks from personal experience. In the summer of 2020 living in the CHOP, Portland he was later arrested for rioting but was immediately released on $0 bail bond. Y’all don’t believe in holding “victims of society” accountable for their actions anymore, remember?

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Yeah Seran. JoeyB speaks from personal experience. In the summer of 2020 living in the CHOP, Portland he was later arrested for rioting but was immediately released on $0 bail bond. Y’all don’t believe in holding “victims of society” accountable for their actions anymore, remember?

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I forgot about CHAZ and CHOP :rofl:


The only CHOP that doesn't suck:

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