George Floyd killing and the aftermath

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

You mean people looting a store to sell shit on ebay are doing it because their rights are being violated and they feel unsafe?

Or did you mean people destroying all the government vehicles used to transport the blind and deaf, because they are government vehicles?

Or did you mean the people who are throwing bricks are the police?

Or did you mean the people who are destroying national shrines, treasures and monuments?

Or did you mean the people who are burning law enforcement vehicles?

Or did you mean the people who are attacking business owners violently?


Rioters deserve to be shot in the face and left on the street as an example. They are the worst of all of us. I wouldn't care if they all get covid and die. Or just die. Convicted rioters deserve to get no government benefits, ever. They should all be labeled felons and the rest of their lives ruined.

Talk to me about peaceful protesters, and we can have a conversation. Until the rioters go away though, your argument is fucked.

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You're worried about bricks thrown at the police, but you'd shoot them without a doubt if they came for your guns (making you a murderer), but these people's lives are somehow less important because they're stealing stuff. Sorry, that just seems hypocritical to me and doesn't hold water. I really don't get how you can say that. You're minimizing someone else's anger and frustration because it isn't your own, whereas you would do something worse for a different reason. And what if there are peaceful protesters caught up with the rioters? You really trust our police officers and military, with everything we've been seeing, to handle that situation correctly when using deadly force? It won't just be bashed in faces, it will be dead Americans. Again, I agree that looting isn't the answer, but it doesn't mean every person looting needs to be shot. There has to be some empathy for the oppression and pain they have experienced. I highly doubt the peaceful protesters are inviting rioters... they just show up. What if they can't get out in time? These absolutist statements that leave no room for variables and understanding confound me.

And Tgo, the people in that video are awful, and so is everyone standing around watching it. I might have died for it, but I wouldn't have stood there, I would have tried to help them. Those business owners didn't do anything to deserve that. But yes, that violence is the result of years and years of oppression, pain, fear, and profiling. Again, I don't support it, but I do have empathy. That said, I haven't ever lived with anything like this either... could you imagine being accosted outside of your own home, and threatened with a gun for picking up trash? https://apnews.com/1c1ff411b5924e15a689784d78ef4f99 This stuff happens all the time, but not to us.

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Originally Posted by Blazar

See, if you actually read articles talking about it, abolish isn't brought up anywhere. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-floyd-budgets

They specifically talk about reducing their massive budgets, since most of their calls are non-violent anyways, yet in spite of that, they've been increasing spending and building arsenals. I don't think anyone wants a society with no cops... that is in fact madness. But finding other tools, instead of hammer hammer hammer hammer hammer hammer, might be a good idea.

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Damn, wrong again. I missed the part in my own article link that said some group are pushing for it. But let's agree that no where near a majority are calling for fully abolishing police forces. Yes, there are radical ideas that lean both ways, but that will never happen.

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Originally Posted by Blazar

You're worried about bricks thrown at the police, but you'd shoot them without a doubt if they came for your guns (making you a murderer), but these people's lives are somehow less important because they're stealing stuff. Sorry, that just seems hypocritical to me and doesn't hold water.

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You're comparing police trying to maintain order in the streets and being attacked to a tyrannical government going door to door to forcefully confiscate people's guns.

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Originally Posted by Blazar

Damn, wrong again. I missed the part in my own article link that said some group are pushing for it. But let's agree that no where near a majority are calling for fully abolishing police forces. Yes, there are radical ideas that lean both ways, but that will never happen.

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It's a small group now, but just 10 years ago anyone in politics who seriously suggested this would have been laughed out of town. Now people are accepting this crazy shit as just another political position to take up. This is why crazy, dangerous power rise to power: apathy.

You say Trump is dangerous because...reasons...but here are sitting US politicians actively calling for disbanding the police and your attitude is "Eh, it happens."

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

You're comparing police trying to maintain order in the streets and being attacked to a tyrannical government going door to door to forcefully confiscate people's guns.



It's a small group now, but just 10 years ago anyone in politics who seriously suggested this would have been laughed out of town. Now people are accepting this crazy shit as just another political position to take up. This is why crazy, dangerous power rise to power: apathy.

You say Trump is dangerous because...reasons...but here are sitting US politicians actively calling for disbanding the police and your attitude is "Eh, it happens."

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Police maintaining order in the streets isn't what started the riots man. Plain and simple, so that comparison is invalid. We are talking about tyranny on both fronts. Police killing unarmed civilians is tyranny.

And yes, but like I said, people want to feel SAFE. If they defund the police, they won't feel safe. It would be an isolated experiment.

Keep in mind, 15 years ago I was one of those punks that believed in Anarchy, hated the government, and definitely hated the police, but they did fuck with me a lot. Sometimes legitimately, sometimes not. Obviously I've aged and realized that government and police are a necessary evil.

Wouldn't it be nice if one day, we really didn't need police because there was no crime? I know it sounds like a fairy tale, but it's not impossible. It's only impossible if everyone believes it's impossible. I think that most violence stems from a desire for power, money, or emotions. Emotions will be a hard one to fix, really the only thing would be ensuring everyone's mentally sound and if not, that they have the proper care. Power... well, a power shift and actually putting power into the hands of the people could make a difference. Right now, while I vote, I don't really feel like I have any effect on our country. Money... that can be solved but rich people won't like it.

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Originally Posted by Blazar

Police maintaining order in the streets isn't what started the riots man. Plain and simple, so that comparison is invalid. We are talking about tyranny on both fronts. Police killing unarmed civilians is tyranny.

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Police maintaining order in the streets are the ones being attacked so it’s a perfect comparison. I can’t help but feel you didn’t explain how those rioters beating up that old couple were afraid so I’m guessing you realize what a losing argument you are pushing here.

And once again there is a vast difference between “killing” and “murder” and murder is illegal no matter who commits it. The officers are being charged with murder and accessory to murder and you’re telling me this is tyranny we are witnessing. No. Stop with the false equivalencies.

You aren’t going to convince me that people looting an Apple store are doing so because they feel scared or feel their rights are being taken away from them.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Police maintaining order in the streets are the ones being attacked so it’s a perfect comparison. I can’t help but feel you didn’t explain how those rioters beating up that old couple were afraid so I’m guessing you realize what a losing argument you are pushing here.

And once again there is a vast difference between “killing” and “murder” and murder is illegal no matter who commits it. The officers are being charged with murder and accessory to murder and you’re telling me this is tyranny we are witnessing. No. Stop with the false equivalencies.

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I'm guessing you missed it:

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And Tgo, the people in that video are awful, and so is everyone standing around watching it. I might have died for it, but I wouldn't have stood there, I would have tried to help them. Those business owners didn't do anything to deserve that. But yes, that violence is the result of years and years of oppression, pain, fear, and profiling. Again, I don't support it, but I do have empathy. That said, I haven't ever lived with anything like this either... could you imagine being accosted outside of your own home, and threatened with a gun for picking up trash? https://apnews.com/1c1ff411b5924e15a689784d78ef4f99 This stuff happens all the time, but not to us.

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Definition of tyranny
1: oppressive power
every form of tyranny over the mind of man
— Thomas Jefferson
especially : oppressive power exerted by government
the tyranny of a police state
2a: a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler
especially : one characteristic of an ancient Greek city-state
b: the office, authority, and administration of a tyrant
3: a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force
living under the tyranny of the clock
— Dixon Wecter
4: an oppressive, harsh, or unjust act : a tyrannical act
workers who had suffered tyrannies

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Tyranny is the act of oppressive power, which is what the cops do to people when they abuse their power. I'm not making false equivalencies, and I know what words mean when I use them.

You have empathy for the people pulling people out of their cars and beating the shit out of them?

This is why old white ladies who lecture people on their whiteness are dangerous.

Also by your loose definition of tyranny I suppose a parent grounding their kid and taking away their Xbox for a month could be considered tyranny.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

You have empathy for the people pulling people out of their cars and beating the shit out of them?

This is why old white ladies who lecture people on their whiteness are dangerous.

Also by your loose definition of tyranny I suppose a parent grounding their kid and taking away their Xbox for a month could be considered tyranny.

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I have empathy for everyone. We're all human beings man. You're not better than anyone else. You're just another person in this world. As am I.

I am also going to take a minute and appreciate the fact that you are basically equating a video game console with police killing people. Really, really appreciate that.

XBOX --> Police killing people
Police killing people --> Gun rights

Which one seems like a more legitimate comparison when using a word like tyranny? And like it's my definition of tyranny? That came from the dictionary man. You going to just put your fingers in your ears and scream "LA LA LA LA?" next??? Or just because it's not YOUR IDEA of tyranny, you discount it? Well, when it's something that matters to you.

Hey guys, I wrote the dictionary! Fucking rich now. Yeah baby! I'm Webster though, not Merriam. Don't you dare call me Merriam.

Wait did Blazar say we should let people loot stuff rather then protect our stuff? While I don't like the idea of killing people, that just seems odd. It's awful George was killed by the policeman. However these looters and rioters are taking it way to far. THe policeman is being charged as are his accomplices. People don't want stereotypes put on them, but doing this kind of stuff and showing support for it plays to those sterotypes.

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Originally Posted by beldannon5

Wait did Blazar say we should let people loot stuff rather then protect our stuff? While I don't like the idea of killing people, that just seems odd. It's awful George was killed by the policeman. However these looters and rioters are taking it way to far. THe policeman is being charged as are his accomplices. People don't want stereotypes put on them, but doing this kind of stuff and showing support for it plays to those sterotypes.

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Thou Shalt Not Kill?

There are only ten commandments. And that's the easiest one to follow. Do you actually think that Jesus would see you killing someone over material possessions and would say to you- Don't worry, I had a clear exception for cases where someone took your toys?

Or, you know, don't worry- obviously when I said to treat immigrants as you would treat me, I didn't mean you couldn't put asylum seeking immigrant children in cages?

Do you actually follow the word of Christ, or just the parts you feel like following and just when it's easy?

You're a better Christian than this. I know you are.