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I don't know much about it and frankly I don't particularly care. Knowing you, you are going to take that to claim I am prejudiced against all disabled people everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
If Shaq mocked a disabled person, yeah, it was wrong. Shaq should apologize.
It basically just means the only thing that matters is the end result. Who cares about politics or laws or blah blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Do you think it's right for someone to use a recording of another person to get them in trouble when that person never agreed to let that recording become public knowledge?
Do you think it's right for this person to do this knowing full well said person would get into trouble?
That's part of the point here. You're saying it's okay because it exposed a racist and that's the ultimate goal. Is that really all that matters; exposing racists?
Yep, I agree with everything you said. But that's not at all the point of why I'm having this conversation. I'm not trying to prove anyone right or wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
I'll break it down to simpler questions. You can answer, or not, as you like. Do you think Donald Sterling can be taught to embrace diversity? Should he be given another chance to redeem himself? Do you think people are a product of their environment? Do you believe that society is ever to blame for what people do?
Those are the kind of questions that arise for me. I just see this as one of those watermark events where pretty much everyone agrees on how this was carried out. When both sides agree, I'm always interested in why.
Why am I not surprised?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
That's it? Shaq should apologize? Why couldn't Sterling just apologize and everyone just move on? That's the type of thing Ker_Thwap has been asking about this entire thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Well, the man is what? 80 years old? He has prior judgments and evidence showing his racism. I don't think the guy is going to change. He's had plenty of time to change already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ker_Thwap
As far as being a product of his environment and is society to blame? He's a rich white guy and an adult.
You may think they are the same, but I don't. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Holy shit, Ker_Thwap, you really hit the nail on the head with this topic. Back is sounding exactly like a rich old white Republican right about now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Why not exactly? Because one can further your political agenda and the other can't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
What do either of those have to do with the specifics of how he was raised? Him being rich and white doesn't really mean anything, he could be poor and of some other race and still be raised to be a racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
I suppose I should have added that being a rich white guy and an adult means you can't excuse his behavior on his environment or society at large.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeril
Not exactly. Since you seem to be determined to sidetrack this thread... I'll give Shaq a mitigating circumstance pass because he's always been a bit of a well intentioned clown. Sterling has been a long time proven weasel. There's been precedent for players to apologize or enter therapy, or otherwise pay their debt to society. Then again, maybe I need to take him out of the player category, and put him into the owner category. I'm just wondering if people are even examining their own beliefs, or just striking out kind of blindly in a feel good justice mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01