Russia Investigation Heating Up

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_11



According to federal guidelines a plea agreement has to be made prior to the start of trial. The trial has concluded and he was found guilty, it's way too late for a plea agreement.

Sure I guess Manafort could just ask Mueller "Pretty please ask the judge to give me the bare minimum sentencing", but that would be it. There is no way for Mueller to have any of the charges that Manafort has been convicted of dropped.

Seems like a huge gamble on Manafort's part when his best bet is a complete pardon.

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You can say whatever you want, Manafort and Mueller can still make a deal.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

No. Not because she wasn't guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.. but because she is a Clinton and they have always been able to do some shady ass shit and get away with it.



No. You keep saying this, even after being corrected time and time and time again... I'm beginning to believe you really do have a learning disability. There is a difference between Russian meddling (Spoiler alert: All countries do it) and President Trump colluding with Russia to fix the election which is the reason Hillary lost.



Yes. The head of the FBI works at the pleasure of the President and can be terminated at anytime. The reason why there is an investigation now is because of politics, plain and simple. I realize this hurts your world view, but it's the truth.



No.



It's opposition research... mostly unverified and mostly fictional. Even the author has stated as much.



Cite a source? Don't honestly remember. Fuck, I'll even give this gift to you... let's call it 1-4.



I stated that it's not a surprise that the 9th Circuit Court wrongly stopped the travel bans from some countries... something the SCOTUS later overturned. You were wrong on this, as I pointed out that SCOTUS would overturn it. 1-5



Sometimes laughing at you and stating that you are indeed a fucking dumb cunt isn't arguing against anything. It's literally stating a fact.



Wait.. you are taking credit for the 9th circuit court decisions that were overturned? I literally stated that if they go to the SCOTUS, they would NOT be upheld. Sorry.. I don't give partial credit for really stupid responses. STill 1-5



In your head.. you probably really believe this. Reality has been a harsh mistress to you and when you actually wake up, you'll realize you're still 1-5 (and that 1 is me giving it to you)

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Oh honey, I've had just enough wine and am just bored enough with DM to give you what you've been asking for but so DESPERATELY don't want:

Russia meddling in our elections:

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

I love how the Democrats are still blaming the colossal loss on anything but Hillary being the very shitty candidate she was.

Even if you believe Russia "did" it.. it's still the words and actions of the Democrats behind Wikileaks to begin with.

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On Trump firing Comey to stop the Russia investigation:

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Originally Posted by SHAFT

She's right.

This appears to be an attempt to disrupt the investigation and plant someone of his choosing as FBI director.

How can you not be skeptical at this point? Even as a trump supporter... come on.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

If you are anti-Trump, yes, this would appear to be something other than it is.

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That Clinton broke the law and would be indicted "any day now"

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1) The irony here is your assumption that it's the Democrats who've been playing partisan on this whole thing. This entire thing came out of the Benghazi hearings. And the whole notion that she was about to be indicted any day came from the right-wing media. Newsflash- it was VERY partisan. But that didn't come from the left.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

LOL.

Hyperbole + stupidity = raging dumb cunt.

But hey.. every legal expert in the world believes she's innocent.

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On the Steele Dossier: (PS please show us a direct quote from Steele saying the Dossier was made up....we'll wait)

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Reputable news sources didn't publish it because it was clearly fake. But Buzzfeed did because their standards are much lower because their reader base doesn't care as long as it fits their little snowflake viewpoint.

No wonder you and Backlash believe they are reputable.

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On the Steele Dossier being used to get a FISA warrant:

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

The Steele Dossier that was bought and paid for by the DNC isn't enough to get a FISA warrant imo... yet, a FISA warrant was issued during a Presidential campaign by the opposing Party.

I'm not sure why anyone would be comfortable by that. Would you be ok with it if President Bush did it on then candidate Obama?

Unlikely.

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And:

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

I hope this isn't just another FISA court type of auto-accept and auto-approve warrants.

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Oh here's a fun one: you buying into the idea that Obama wiretapped Trump (AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Good.

We need to investigate how a sitting President was able to eavesdrop on a candidate in the other Party during the election, using very questionable "evidence" that was bought and paid for by the Democrat Party.

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Another fun one- when I pointed out that Trump had just invited the Russians to hack Clinton, and you acted like it was the stupidest thing in the world to point out (Spoiler alert- Mueller confirmed that they DID try to hack her THAT DAY)

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DORAL, Fla. — Donald J. Trump said Wednesday that he hoped Russia had hacked Hillary Clinton’s email, essentially encouraging an adversarial foreign power’s cyberspying on a secretary of state’s correspondence.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said, staring directly into the cameras during a press conference. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

Mr. Trump’s call was an extraordinary moment at a time when Russia is being accused of meddling in the U.S. presidential election. His comments came amid questions about the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, which American intelligence agencies have told the White House they have “high confidence” was the work of the Russian government.


Holy shit. He just told a foreign government to illegally hack into the emails of someone running for President and encouraged them to influence a U.S. election.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Holy shit. You honestly are one of the dumbest people on the Internet... unless you believe that Russia has some sort of time machine that they can use to get those deleted emails back.

But seriously, keep on herpin' and derpin' and making us all thankful we didn't eat lead based paint like you obviously did.

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I really could have kept going, but I figure that's enough crow for any one person to eat.

The best part about this trip down memory lane? Seeing how when you jeer and shriek the most- that tells everyone when you are flat out wrong.

Mahalo my bitter, sad little man with no understanding of law or politics.

Manafort has a second trial coming and he could quite easily plead out in that case, it would be logical to do so for most people since they would very likely stack whatever time he got in trial two on top of whatever sentence he just earned in the first trial.

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Originally Posted by Ardwen

Manafort has a second trial coming and he could quite easily plead out in that case, it would be logical to do so for most people since they would very likely stack whatever time he got in trial two on top of whatever sentence he just earned in the first trial.

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He's 69 and facing some years in jail right now. The D.C. jury and judge should be less friendly and the prosecutors had a practice trial in VA. If he doesn't get a pardon or flip, it's safe to assume that he'll die in jail.

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Originally Posted by Ardwen

Manafort has a second trial coming and he could quite easily plead out in that case, it would be logical to do so for most people since they would very likely stack whatever time he got in trial two on top of whatever sentence he just earned in the first trial.

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A second trial that will have over 1000 pieces of evidence against Manafort and a judge that isn't Ellis. Manafort will also be entering this trial a convicted criminal. On top of that he's broke and his legal fees are rising faster and faster.

He fully expects, as do I actually, a pardon from Trump, of course if he gets pardoned maybe the GOP will finally do something, but I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Ardwen

He fully expects, as do I actually, a pardon from Trump, of course if he gets pardoned maybe the GOP will finally do something, but I doubt it.

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Its scary man. They just threw Sessions under the bus. Graham and Grassley signaled that this time they'll let Jeff go. What a change 1 year makes. The only thing that can stop these guys is a Dem house raising hell with subpoenas, committee hearings etc... They can't impeach barring an absolutely disastrous Mueller report.

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Originally Posted by Ardwen

He fully expects, as do I actually, a pardon from Trump, of course if he gets pardoned maybe the GOP will finally do something, but I doubt it.

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And yet, between New York, California, and Virginia- there are enough state crimes they could get him with that a Federal Pardon won't necessarily matter.

Which deepens the mystery as to why Manafort appears unwilling to strike a deal.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

And yet, between New York, California, and Virginia- there are enough state crimes they could get him with that a Federal Pardon won't necessarily matter.

Which deepens the mystery as to why Manafort appears unwilling to strike a deal.

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I can't wait for the book to come out after this is all over. There is so much going on beneath the surface that we don't see. For example; I wonder how much communication Mueller's team has with various state level prosecutors. We've seen he's been dishing cases off to them that he doesn't either want to pursue or wants to get into a pardon free environment. I want to know what the strategy is.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

I can't wait for the book to come out after this is all over. There is so much going on beneath the surface that we don't see. For example; I wonder how much communication Mueller's team has with various state level prosecutors. We've seen he's been dishing cases off to them that he doesn't either want to pursue or wants to get into a pardon free environment. I want to know what the strategy is.

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I'm pretty sure Tom Clancy already wrote this book =/