Russia Investigation Heating Up

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Originally Posted by cwolff

We need to organizes these thoughts.

Have we agreed that there was indeed collusion between trumps campaign and the Russian government yet? Is that at least one point on which we all agree?

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They can't even acknowledge that the Trump team has lied from the very beginning about meeting with Russians.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

We need to organizes these thoughts.

Have we agreed that there was indeed collusion between trumps campaign and the Russian government yet? Is that at least one point on which we all agree?

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No no, you don't get to play this game. pk started this off by saying Trump admitted to collusion then jumped straight to it was "conspiring to defraud the US."

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

They can't even acknowledge that the Trump team has lied from the very beginning about meeting with Russians.

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Yes, that's another point we should see if we can find some agreement on.

Do we all recognize that the trump team has "evolved" their story from originally saying there were no Russian meetings?

• This one's a little more complicated because there are so many individuals who've made conflicting statements. I'd hope that we can agree to a general theme of denial to downplaying to admitting but that the meetings were ok.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

No no, you don't get to play this game. pk started this off by saying Trump admitted to collusion then jumped straight to it was "conspiring to defraud the US."

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We've been over the same ground a million times. We need to put this to bed.

Did the trump team collude or not? Outside of any criminal wrongdoing. That's not even part of this question right now. First of all we need to figure out if we can agree that trumps team colluded with the Russians during the election

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Originally Posted by cwolff

We've been over the same ground a million times. We need to put this to bed.

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I agree, let's put this to bed. pk, when did Trump admit to "conspiring to defraud the US"?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

I agree, let's put this to bed. pk, when did Trump admit to "conspiring to defraud the US"?

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He has not admitted to that. He has admitted to the actions around collusion while simultaneously saying, "no collusion"

The question to you is this; can we agree that trumps campaign colluded with Russia. Again, we're not asking for a criminal admission. Just collusion. Can we agree to that at this point?

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Yes, that's another point we should see if we can find some agreement on.

Do we all recognize that the trump team has "evolved" their story from originally saying there were no Russian meetings?

• This one's a little more complicated because there are so many individuals who've made conflicting statements. I'd hope that we can agree to a general theme of denial to downplaying to admitting but that the meetings were ok.

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You're making the mistake in thinking they want to have an actual discussion on this rather than what they've been doing for almost 2 years now in just coming here to toss insults/harass people. They have 0 interest in finding out the truth of what happened in 2016.

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

You're making the mistake in thinking they want to have an actual discussion on this rather than what they've been doing for almost 2 years now in just coming here to toss insults/harass people. They have 0 interest in finding out the truth of what happened in 2016.

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I tend to agree with this but lets give them the benefit of the doubt. There's got to be some common ground that we all can agree on. At least if we get that far we won't have to re-hash the same old stuff.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

I agree, let's put this to bed. pk, when did Trump admit to "conspiring to defraud the US"?

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Please quote me where I said Trump admitted to anything.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

It was an example, dork.

Let's say the "Russian collusion" meeting took place on August 4th, I'm really too lazy to find the exact date the meeting took place.

They could ask Trump: "What day did the meeting take place with the Russian lawyer?"
Trump answers "August 3rd" because he legit thought it took place on August 3rd.

Trump just "perjured" himself.

This is what perjury traps are. Don't you work at a lawyer's office or something? Can't you ask them to explain this shit to you so you stop making a fool of yourself?

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Learn to read past the first sentence.