Things that made you Facepalm today (Political Version)

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Originally Posted by Stop It

Name calling instead of reasonable arguments and your fixation on pedophilia makes you look bad.

Stop it.

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Stop this
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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Thank you for the backhanded compliment. I’ll own the childish antics and name calling part. It’s the PC and all in good fun. I don’t think you & I could be anymore politically different though. I say with true sincerity that as much as I may call you a retard and such, in reality I harbor you no ill will. You are OUR retard, and I do actually enjoy our conversations.

The problem I have with what you call reasonable gun control is I find it very unreasonable. I’m an adamant supporter of individual liberties, our constitution, and the limits they impose on government…not just the 2nd but all of them. The proposed gun control legislation of “assault weapons” ban, magazine capacity limits, red flag laws that bypass due process, “universal background checks” aka a gun registry, mandatory waiting periods, and a government permission slip to exercise God-given rights are in violation of the Constitution. To add insult to injury, it’s dubious at best thinking that any of those measures would do anything to actually prevent insane people hell-bent on violence from acting on their intent.

As to your comment about Republican extremism and House members like MTG, Matt Gaetz, Boebert, and some others…those people are idiots. The Republican Party has always had its small share of far right. I do somewhat agree that the party as a whole has had more influence from that group & those kind of people than the past, but I would counter to say that it a reactionary movement in response to the Democrat Party moving further and further to the left. Extremism breeds more extremism. Are you too blind and partisan to not acknowledge the Democrat Party has more extremism than it did say 10 years ago? These include in the House: AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Cori Bush, and more. I don’t see you pointing to those people as extremist or condemning them.

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Oh no, I fully acknowledge that my party is filled with the sort of liberalism that has weakened the nation and will point out that I do not support the socialism, immigration and law enforcement meant changes that they've championed. You need only look at San Francisco and Los Angeles to see the results of those policies: collapsing home values, rampant crime, a glut of homelessness brought on by free money and camping weather. The Democrat party was held hostage by them for awhile, just as Republicans are currently held hostage by their own extreme examples.

Difference being, that brand of liberalism doesn't spur the violent overthrow of a democracy. If Joe Biden makes the same play at remaining in office and a repeat of January 6th occured, the party would impeach him without fail. He wouldn't be shielded from the ramifications of his actions, nor would be remain the standard bearer and likely candidate for reelection as is happening with the Republicans and Trump.

Yes, you can say, 'but Black Lives Matter protests have resulted in crime and property damage.' and you'd be right, it has. No one can honestly say though that Democrats have conspired to organize such protests for a criminal ulterior motive and none have ever reached the level of chaos and long term damage to our credibility as a democracy as did January 6th.

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Originally Posted by Seran

Oh no, I fully acknowledge that my party is filled with the sort of liberalism that has weakened the nation and will point out that I do not support the socialism, immigration and law enforcement meant changes that they've championed. You need only look at San Francisco and Los Angeles to see the results of those policies: collapsing home values, rampant crime, a glut of homelessness brought on by free money and camping weather. The Democrat party was held hostage by them for awhile, just as Republicans are currently held hostage by their own extreme examples.

Difference being, that brand of liberalism doesn't spur the violent overthrow of a democracy. If Joe Biden makes the same play at remaining in office and a repeat of January 6th occured, the party would impeach him without fail. He wouldn't be shielded from the ramifications of his actions, nor would be remain the standard bearer and likely candidate for reelection as is happening with the Republicans and Trump.

Yes, you can say, 'but Black Lives Matter protests have resulted in crime and property damage.' and you'd be right, it has. No one can honestly say though that Democrats have conspired to organize such protests for a criminal ulterior motive and none have ever reached the level of chaos and long term damage to our credibility as a democracy as did January 6th.

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And yet, I distinctly remember you hoping for Gavin Newsom to win the Democrat nomination who fully supports those progressive policies that has caused harm in cities like LA & San Francisco.

I do at least understand what your concern is over Trump & January 6th though I have a much different opinion of those events. I actually had a similar conversation with my wife last night defending how I could morally & ethically vote for Trump if it comes down to (and looking ever more likely it will be) a rematch between Biden & Trump. Truth is, like most all other presidential elections I have voted in, I’m presented with two candidates that I at minimum don’t particularly care for. Trump is a mighty mighty bastard. He is in my opinion as corrupt as any other presidential candidate…no more and no less. While I think that yes he would have loved to see the last election change in anyway possible & he is a extreme sore loser…he didn’t organize a violent insurrection like the liberal media has you believing. After years of investigation there is simply no evidence that he orchestrated one. He said what he said in that speech which was right up to the line but still legal. Fact is, for the most part I liked his policies and that’s really what matters to me. Furthermore, I can not in good conscience vote for Joe Biden for a number of reasons related to his incompetence & harmful policies. I would prefer a different candidate for the Republican Party and will most likely be voting for someone else in the primaries, but if it comes down to Trump vs Biden the choice is an easy one for me to make.

Edit: Also on immigration Title 42 ended today I believe. We shall see how well that works out…

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Originally Posted by Stop It

Name calling instead of reasonable arguments and your fixation on pedophilia makes you look bad.

Stop it.

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Gosh, I wonder who could be behind this account.

But anyway, there's no reasoning with retards like Seran, even if he and his retardation were anything more than just entertainment, because he has no independent thought of his own. He's a mindless NPC who just regurgitates whatever the current leftist narrative is, and in the rare instances he actually understands the counter points being made, he either just calls you a Nazi or moves the goalposts all over the place.

Seran also...

- Supports child mutilation
- Doesn't shower
- Is a slob
- Supports pedophilia


It sounds like calling that out upsets you. Why is that?

And speaking of zero self awareness...

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Originally Posted by Seran

...even if your childish antics and name-calling have severely weakened your credibility.

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Let me guess...you never do any of this when you post, right? :rofl:

Either stop being a liar or stop having no self awareness.

Stop being retarded too.

And stop supporting pedophilia.

Getting a job wouldn't hurt you either.

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Originally Posted by Seran

Yes, you can say, 'but Black Lives Matter protests have resulted in crime and property damage.' and you'd be right, it has. No one can honestly say though that Democrats have conspired to organize such protests for a criminal ulterior motive and none have ever reached the level of chaos and long term damage to our credibility as a democracy as did January 6th.

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Remember when a bunch of democrats, including our current VP Kamala Harris, were soliciting donations to bail out those same violent BLM protesters?

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Originally Posted by Methais

Remember when a bunch of democrats, including our current VP Kamala Harris, were soliciting donations to bail out those same violent BLM protesters?

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You mean PEACEFUL protesters, don't you?

Racist.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

And yet, I distinctly remember you hoping for Gavin Newsom to win the Democrat nomination who fully supports those progressive policies that has caused harm in cities like LA & San Francisco.

I do at least understand what your concern is over Trump & January 6th though I have a much different opinion of those events. I actually had a similar conversation with my wife last night defending how I could morally & ethically vote for Trump if it comes down to (and looking ever more likely it will be) a rematch between Biden & Trump. Truth is, like most all other presidential elections I have voted in, I’m presented with two candidates that I at minimum don’t particularly care for. Trump is a mighty mighty bastard. He is in my opinion as corrupt as any other presidential candidate…no more and no less. While I think that yes he would have loved to see the last election change in anyway possible & he is a extreme sore loser…he didn’t organize a violent insurrection like the liberal media has you believing. After years of investigation there is simply no evidence that he orchestrated one. He said what he said in that speech which was right up to the line but still legal. Fact is, for the most part I liked his policies and that’s really what matters to me. Furthermore, I can not in good conscience vote for Joe Biden for a number of reasons related to his incompetence & harmful policies. I would prefer a different candidate for the Republican Party and will most likely be voting for someone else in the primaries, but if it comes down to Trump vs Biden the choice is an easy one for me to make.

Edit: Also on immigration Title 42 ended today I believe. We shall see how well that works out…

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If I'd said it once, I've said it a million times- there is a difference between a politician who nods in support to the spirit of policies to get elected, and there are the politicians who actually write the policies. Newsom is the former, you need only look at his immediately back away from the hundred billion or so cost the reparations committee came up with to see he's a realist. The sort of liberals that ruin the party are the idealists who care nothing for practicality, cost, and who fail to recognize the political capital expended even debating it.

I'm not really surprised about your vote for Trump, it's sort of expected that even between the lesser of two evils, some Republicans still vote Cheeto.

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Originally Posted by Seran

If I'd said it once, I've said it a million times- there is a difference between a politician who nods in support to the spirit of policies to get elected, and there are the politicians who actually write the policies. Newsom is the former, you need only look at his immediately back away from the hundred billion or so cost the reparations committee came up with to see he's a realist. The sort of liberals that ruin the party are the idealists who care nothing for practicality, cost, and who fail to recognize the political capital expended even debating it.

I'm not really surprised about your vote for Trump, it's sort of expected that even between the lesser of two evils, some Republicans still vote Cheeto.

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It’s really a shame that California got so screwed up, because it has so many good qualities that I genuinely admire.

The way I see it, the elites in Silicon Valley made an unholy alliance with the poor. The poor are manipulated to vote for policies & tax exemptions that benefit the rich elites, and in return they receive wealth redistribution via taxing the fuck out of the middle class. There is a reason why so many have left that state and their government is on the verge of bankruptcy. What will remain is the few modern nobility vs the poor unwashed masses. Isn’t that wealth gap something you deeply care about?

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

It’s really a shame that California got so screwed up, because it has so many good qualities that I genuinely admire.

The way I see it, the elites in Silicon Valley made an unholy alliance with the poor. The poor are manipulated to vote for policies & tax exemptions that benefit the rich elites, and in return they receive wealth redistribution via taxing the fuck out of the middle class. There is a reason why so many have left that state and their government is on the verge of bankruptcy. What will remain is the few modern nobility vs the poor unwashed masses. Isn’t that wealth gap something you deeply care about?

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.. I hope you're trolling with that second paragraph, because that is legitimately a truly zany conspiracy theory. Meanwhile, wealth redistribution did occur, but it migrated to the top 10%.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/relea...l;units:shares

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Originally Posted by Seran

.. I hope you're trolling with that second paragraph, because that is legitimately a truly zany conspiracy theory. Meanwhile, wealth redistribution did occur, but it migrated to the top 10%.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/relea...l;units:shares

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Not trolling at all and it’s more than a conspiracy theory. I believe the link you referenced is for the US as a whole. I’m specifically talking about California. The wealthy elite are definitely getting richer. The poor really don’t gain wealth no matter how much you throw at them, but there are several social programs / policies / and benefits exclusive to California that support the poor & homeless. The middle class has and is leaving in droves and population is on the decline in that state.

Both the super wealthy & the poor despise the middle class. This is what left doesn’t seem to be able to grasp.