Climate Change Report

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

You asked that cwolff "Listen to his views."

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So the man can never be right about anything, ever in the history of foreverdom because he gets paid by some energy companies?

I think you just broke like a dozen logical fallacies with that one.

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Originally Posted by Jarvan

It's not my definition, it's the definition of the word. Which makes like.. 90% of the world a "Shill" for something.

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He's paid to promote their views. PR is his current main profession. 90% might be an eensy weensy bit of hyperbole. Shill might not've been the best choice for conservatives to go off half semantically cocked about.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Yes, that's my point because that's exactly what Moore said and yet all you've said is "shill!"

Regardless I didn't even say you said those things, you asked what my point was and I told you exactly what my point was and has been for the past several pages. Talk about a red herring.

Calm down, I'm not out to get you.

Yet.



Whom he works for is irrelevant to what he is saying in this video.

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Are his credentials as a greenpeace founder and lifelong ecologist relevant?

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Jesus, Now that we finally got you guys to admit Mr. Moore is a shill you immediately move on to rationalization.

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You have yet to even comment on what Moore said or how being a "shill" for energy companies necessarily a bad thing.

This is a give and take relationship, cwolff, yet lately all you've been doing is taking.

I feel that we might need some relationship counseling.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Are his credentials as a greenpeace founder and lifelong ecologist relevant?

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Red herring!

Hey this is actually a fun game, cwolff. I can see why you started it :D

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

So the man can never be right about anything, ever in the history of foreverdom because he gets paid by some energy companies?

I think you just broke like a dozen logical fallacies with that one.

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You really like the Tobacco Institute. You actually think Al Gore is totally truthful. You think Barack Obama never tells lies. None of your chicanery saves you from bad faith and not actually caring about what you're debating about, just like Jeril's cornering Latrin on in the other thread.

You now believe that Jay Carney doesn't spin for Obama. You think that MoveOn and DailyKos possess cores of simple human truth.

You sing Kum-ba-ya a lot. You drink the Kool-Aid.

http://www.key-z.com/koolaid.jpg

(The point I'm highlighting is you even making that post represents purposefully fallacious thinking.)

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

You have yet to even comment on what Moore said or how being a "shill" for energy companies necessarily a bad thing.

This is a give and take relationship, cwolff, yet lately all you've been doing is taking.

I feel that we might need some relationship counseling.

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I've not commented on it because I won't be diverted like that. That's your red herring falacy. We were talking about and it doesn't maybe mesh with your worldview so you attempt to divert the conversation to something irrelevant.

Me: He's a shill
You: Why do you think corporations are evil?

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

The man is paid, as point of fact, to promote the views of industry.

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As a point of fact?

Really?

I thought you said he ran a PR firm to help energy companies talk about being greener? Those two aren't the same thing.

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That makes him a shill by Jarvan's definition.He is functioning as a PR rep.

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So, you believe I am a shill for TECO? They pay me as well and I go around west central Florida, promoting their programs and policies.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Red herring!

Hey this is actually a fun game, cwolff. I can see why you started it :D

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This is absolutely relevant and not a red herring. We are talking about his credentials. The credentials that get him on a show like Penn and Tellers to present his side of the argument in the first place. Greenpeace and ecologist but no mention that he's paid to create effective communications for the very people the environmentalists are protesting.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

As a point of fact?

Really?

I thought you said he ran a PR firm to help energy companies talk about being greener? Those two aren't the same thing.




So, you believe I am a shill for TECO? They pay me as well and I go around west central Florida, promoting their programs and policies.

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Nah, you're purposefully misrepresenting me. I said he HAS done that. What he's done for the nuclear industry and logging industry are different.

If your primary position were PR rather than sales you would be, by Jarvan's definition, a shill.