Dumb things conservatives say:

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

You can argue she's an idiot anyways or blah blah blah, but there is no denying SNL played a huge role in giving her that image.

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Would it make any sense at all for me to blame the company that you work for every time you make a joke at my expense? Cruz is seriously delusional, dangerously so, if he believes SNL is what makes Palin look bad instead of Palin herself. I can't even believe this guy is allowed to be a congressman and present this insane garbage in our capitol. Imagine him doing this in front of the founding fathers? He'd be laughed out of Washington.

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

>A lot of people got the impression Sarah Palin was (is) an idiot..

We don't need a skit to know that.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Back

Would it make any sense at all for me to blame the company that you work for every time you make a joke at my expense? Cruz is seriously delusional, dangerously so, if he believes SNL is what makes Palin look bad instead of Palin herself. I can't even believe this guy is allowed to be a congressman and present this insane garbage in our capitol. Imagine him doing this in front of the founding fathers? He'd be laughed out of Washington.

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People like Tgo01 eat it up.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

Pretty obvious.

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I asked for specifics, not what's "obvious."

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

If you're asking for legislative or legal clarity as some founding principle you live in the wrong country.

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So from "and others" you get that it's "obviously" referring to Super PACs and corporations? You then go on to state that we live in a country where legislation and laws as a rule aren't usually clear and are often left very vague so as to be left open to interpretation and that we as citizens should just trust our government to do the right thing and never abuse these loosely worded laws?

I'm not even sure I'm arguing with WB at the moment. Which Democratic official is holding a gun to your head, WB? Speak to us in code if you need assistance.

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Originally Posted by Back

Cruz is seriously delusional, dangerously so, if he believes SNL is what makes Palin look bad instead of Palin herself.

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That's not at all what I said or he said. He merely used SNL's skits about Palin as an example.

Geezus Christ Almighty. If the government does ever decide to turn this country into a Monarchy all they have to do is make sure to get a Democratic president and Congress elected and apparently people will follow them into the sun.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

I asked for specifics, not what's "obvious."



So from "and others" you get that it's "obviously" referring to Super PACs and corporations? You then go on to state that we live in a country where legislation and laws as a rule aren't usually clear and are often left very vague so as to be left open to interpretation and that we as citizens should just trust our government to do the right thing and never abuse these loosely worded laws?

I'm not even sure I'm arguing with WB at the moment. Which Democratic official is holding a gun to your head, WB? Speak to us in code if you need assistance.

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It does a convenient job of covering other entities. We've had the fate of our nation changed from "regulate interstate commerce" so this isn't much of a stretch. All of this is trying to defend Citizens United. You're the one who's trying very hard not to see it.

I happen to think that Roe vs. Wade is a dubious ruling. I love the fact that we got a clarified right of privacy out of "penumbras and emanations of the 4th amendment" however, even if the government isn't sticking to it. That's even less specific. It's clear they're talking about election swaying entities.

Right now a politician is trying to defend the abuse of a Supreme Court case. We shouldn't trust him to do the right thing and not abuse it.

You posted this. Or don't you remember?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Let's face it, his Sarah Palin reference is spot on. A lot of people got the impression Sarah Palin was an idiot from those SNL sketches. You can argue she's an idiot anyways or blah blah blah, but there is no denying SNL played a huge role in giving her that image.

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Now you post this?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

That's not at all what I said or he said. He merely used SNL's skits about Palin as an example.

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What you smoking bro? I don't want any.

Sarah Palin may be a genius, I don't know. That said, she comes off as an idiot whenever she opens her mouth. Again, I don't know if she is or not, but she is not a viable candidate for anything now, save a talk show host / commentator. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional, in my opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L-F5tsoJ9M

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

The way this legislation is written is like using an anvil when a screwdriver would do the job.

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You got a problem with overwhelming force, you bleeding heart pinko commie?

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

It does a convenient job of covering other entities.

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Exactly. Other, unnamed entities. And you apparently have no problem with this. That's the scary part.

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Originally Posted by Back

You posted this. Or don't you remember?



Now you post this?



What you smoking bro? I don't want any.

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The problem here Back is you think this:

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Originally Posted by Back

Cruz is seriously delusional, dangerously so, if he believes SNL is what makes Palin look bad instead of Palin herself.

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Is a summary of what I said.

It's not. What I said was:

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Let's face it, his Sarah Palin reference is spot on. A lot of people got the impression Sarah Palin was an idiot from those SNL sketches. You can argue she's an idiot anyways or blah blah blah, but there is no denying SNL played a huge role in giving her that image. Hell, people still to this day think Sarah Palin said "I can see Russia from my house."

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Notice you left out the part where I qualified my statement with "a lot of people" got the impression Sarah Palin was an idiot from those sketches, I didn't say everyone arrived at that conclusion from watching SNL. I also said SNL played a role in giving Palin that image; I didn't say if left to her own devices she wouldn't have given herself that image anyways.

And that's the point; the text of this legislation is so loosely defined that if even 1 person watched a Palin SNL skit and said to themselves "Holy shit! That lady is batshit crazy, I'm not going to vote for her now" then SNL just influenced the election. They spent money on influencing an election. An evil corporation spent money on influencing an election.

That's the point. You can choose to go the route of WB and insist Congress will only read the text the way WB chooses to read the text, but that doesn't make you right and Cruz wrong.

I can't help but laugh at the irony of people who are misinterpreting what I and Cruz are saying, even though we both have spelled out exactly what we are saying, then these same people go on and read a text that says "others" and insist that really means Super PACs/corporations and that it can never be misinterpreted to mean anything else.

I can't help but laugh...and honestly cry a little :(