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Well holy shit! Obama said he rejected Russia's move?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
I hereby take back every unkind word I ever said about Obama. This man...this King among mere mortals...got in front of cameras and said he rejected Russia's move.
Man. Words...they...they fail me.
Can we vote Obama to be president for life?
On a side note.. I actually commended Obama when he told Syria that chemical weapons were a "red Line" they could not cross.
It's just that when they used them 1 time.. and he did nothing, then a second and he did nothing..
THAT'S when I called him a fucktard.
also.. "Freedom of Speech".
So... you think he should have done something there? I'm not in favor of america and it's military force being used to police the world. Shouldn't be our job. Not to protect our oil interests in Iraq or the poor saps getting gassed in Syria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
Yeah.. we shouldn't have worried about the poor saps in Germany getting gassed as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
If gassing people is not evil....
And yes, I think we should have done something more then "Maybe take away your chemical weapons". We bombed Libya on the "chance" he could possibly maybe kill 10-30k people. BUT.. Obama lets 120k people die in Syria. How exactly can you defend that?
Fine. Where does it end? We haven't engaged in a moral war since ww2. Would you like us to be the global police?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
Because there's a dozen other places we SHOULD have gone to if we wanted to make the world a better place. You don't like taxes, or taking care of our own people, but you want to send our military to die in foreign wars. Can't have it both ways.
Would you like us to bring every single troop home, and wash our hands of the rest of the world? Let Iran get Nukes and attack Israel, let North Korea invade south Korea? let a new Stalin kill 40 million people?Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
Are you ok with knowing that we could stop 10,000 people from dying in a chemical gas attack? Or does it not matter because it happens somewhere else?
So we shouldn't care if say.. Iran executes every Christian in it's country... I mean... it doesn't matter, it isn't US after all.
As to where does it end. It doesn't, ever really.
"eternal vigilance is the price we pay for liberty" Thomas Jefferson.
As to who asked us to do this... the people crying out for help.
You could look at it in a smaller way. The US is your family. The rest of the world is strangers.
If you see someone getting beaten to a pulp in an alley, and they cry out to you for help, and you have the ability to help them... do you just ignore it and think, "well, it isn't one of my family members".
Yet we had Republicans whining about not wanting him to do something. And thus the Republican Party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
It's a choice. It's always a choice. And the wars we've waged recently haven't been moral, but political and economic. I'd love a country that actually had the balls to stand up and defend the weak. But that's not America. Barring that, I want us to stop engaging in bullshit police actions as an empire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
Check it out. It's not us vs. them. It's us vs. ourselves. We share a planet. A single ball of dirt in a big wide universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan