NAACP Protests Racist Voter ID Laws

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Originally Posted by Dendum

sometimes I type out a response to lainstrome's logical fallacies, then I can not figure out if it a joke or not so I delete it and I feel like I lost.

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For the record, I am not related to Ryan Strome.

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Originally Posted by Thondalar

Voting is a right given only to citizens. Citizens have to have a way to prove they're citizens in order to vote. It's not complicated.

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It's also not Constitutional BOOOOOOOOOOM.

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Originally Posted by Jarvan

Personally, I don't have a problem with this, since I neither violate the law, nor care if people know where I am. And frankly, it would solve just about every missing person case period, (and I really do fear for my niece when she goes to the "mall" - she walks there and it's 5 miles from her house) not to mention make it insanely easy to figure out who is committing a crime in progress.

That being said, I don't really want it. Because I know some people will abuse it.

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People will abuse anything. Would you rather have that abuse be caught on tape or not discovered until Kathryn Morris wanders through 30 years later? There are 6000 murders that go unsolved every year. Don't just say "will abuse it", tell me what that abuse will constitute, and whether it's as bad. If you want to make a reasonable decision you have to look at pros and cons, not jot down a single con and dismiss the proposal.

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Originally Posted by Wrathbringer

Yep. Seems handy until a future government uses it for genocidal purposes just because they can. If men were angels, government could be trusted with this kind of thing. Right, wb?

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This is the fundamental flaw of your argument in a nutshell. Governments (including our own) have committed genocide with rifles, with bombs, with bayonets... but those armaments are part of the status quo, so you don't question them. The United States already has the power to kill every human on the planet. You're not worried about preventing genocide, you're worried about anything that's new.

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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm

For the record, I am not related to Ryan Strome.It's also not Constitutional BOOOOOOOOOOM.People will abuse anything. Would you rather have that abuse be caught on tape or not discovered until Kathryn Morris wanders through 30 years later? There are 6000 murders that go unsolved every year. Don't just say "will abuse it", tell me what that abuse will constitute, and whether it's as bad. If you want to make a reasonable decision you have to look at pros and cons, not jot down a single con and dismiss the proposal.This is the fundamental flaw of your argument in a nutshell. Governments (including our own) have committed genocide with rifles, with bombs, with bayonets... but those armaments are part of the status quo, so you don't question them. The United States already has the power to kill every human on the planet. You're not worried about preventing genocide, you're worried about anything that's new.

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This is a lot like when you used to try to fanatically defend intelligent design. They don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

It's not about racism or illegal aliens. Each party just wants more votes.

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And dems want the illegal alien vote, which is why they cry racism over republicans trying to eliminate that.

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Originally Posted by Methais

And dems want the illegal alien vote, which is why they cry racism over republicans trying to eliminate that.

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You can drop the political football. It's just about votes.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

You can drop the political football. It's just about votes.

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Is "political football" your new answer to everything when it comes to stuff democrats don't want?

Of course it's about votes. It's kind of hard not to be when voter ID requirement is the issue, no?

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Originally Posted by Methais

Is "political football" your new answer to everything when it comes to stuff democrats don't want?

Of course it's about votes. It's kind of hard not to be when voter ID requirement is the issue, no?

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No idiot. It's my answer when either side gives their derp derp troll talking points rather than points to the actual issue. It's the same thing I'd tell cwolff about "racism!" You are equally irrational.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

No idiot. It's my answer when either side gives their derp derp troll talking points rather than points to the actual issue. It's the same thing I'd tell cwolff about "racism!" You are equally irrational.

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I wasn't aware that voter ID laws would actually gain votes for republicans, as opposed to democrats simply losing a bunch of (fraudulent) votes.

It's a good thing you're here to keep the rest of us in line by yelling "political football!" to try to dismiss and sweep under the rug those issues that would negatively impact democrats by making them play by the rules.

When in dire need, send minorities out to do the dirty work with their government issued race cards and everything will be fine in unicorn land.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

No idiot. It's my answer when either side gives their derp derp troll talking points rather than points to the actual issue. It's the same thing I'd tell cwolff about "racism!" You are equally irrational.

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You don't say shit to me about racism. Maybe you should start.

There's not derp derp talking points here. The GOP can't win with a high voter turn out. In order to fix this problem they've chosen to suppress turnout. It's as simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Methais

I wasn't aware that voter ID laws would actually gain votes for republicans, as opposed to democrats simply losing a bunch of (fraudulent) votes.

It's a good thing you're here to keep the rest of us in line by yelling "political football!" to try to dismiss and sweep under the rug those issues that would negatively impact democrats by making them play by the rules.

When in dire need, send minorities out to do the dirty work with their government issued race cards and everything will be fine in unicorn land.

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You are completely daft if you don't understand what the point is.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

You don't say shit to me about racism. Maybe you should start.

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WB lives in a special world of his own. Don't you dare question him or he will say a bunch of nothing and declare you as put in your place.