Russia Investigation Heating Up

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Is it fair to say that the only way you will say trump colluded (illegal or not) is if trump himself admits it publicly?

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If he is convicted I'll say he has colluded.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

If he is convicted I'll say he has colluded.

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Convicted of what and by whom? If he's impeached by a dem majority congress will you agree that that is evidence of criminality?

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Convicted of what and by whom? If he's impeached by a dem majority congress will you agree that that is evidence of criminality?

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The way impeachment works is the House impeaches, and then he is convicted by the Senate. If the senate convicts him for collusion, then I'll agree he was guilty of collusion. If some court after he finishes his term as President convicts him of collusion, I'll agree he colluded.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Convicted of what and by whom?

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Convicted of jaywalking you fucking idiot.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

The way impeachment works is the House impeaches, and then he is convicted by the Senate. If the senate convicts him for collusion, then I'll agree he was guilty of collusion. If some court after he finishes his term as President convicts him of collusion, I'll agree he colluded.

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I don't think they can convict him of collusion and I don't mean to be a stickler but we're having all kinds of issues here with the "collusion is not a crime" thing. My preference is that we can use the word collusion as an umbrella term which encapsulates conspiracy, bribery, and all kinds of other acts illegal acts which make up collusion without arguing the definitions anymore. In your opinion, is that ok? I'm not going to put words in your mouth here, but I think that's what you've just said.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

I don't think they can convict him of collusion and I don't mean to be a stickler but we're having all kinds of issues here with the "collusion is not a crime" thing. My preference is that we can use the word collusion as an umbrella term which encapsulates conspiracy, bribery, and all kinds of other acts illegal acts which make up collusion without arguing the definitions anymore. In your opinion, is that ok? I'm not going to put words in your mouth here, but I think that's what you've just said.

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I will agree he is guilty of whatever he is convicted of if he ever gets convicted. If the things he is convicted of amount to an illegal agreement then sure. Collusion. I don't think he did anything wrong though and I'm patiently waiting for his reelection.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

How can you say this? Just a buzzword? I am appalled at you TG. It's so disappointing to see Americans defend this shit. To make excuses and rationalize in lockstep with the talking points coming out of Rudy, trump and the rest of the right wing propaganda machine.

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Lately everything he doesn't agree with is just a "buzzword".

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Originally Posted by RichardCranium

It's also a lie when you say it has been known for some time that there was collusion. As of now, there's no proof. Why do you lie like this?

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There has been an insane amount of circumstantial evidence for some time now, and yes, circumstantial evidence is used in criminal cases all the time.

Giuliani is now saying that Manafort, Trump's former campaign manager and the guy that selected Pence to be Trump's VP, was not a central figure in the campaign.. :lol2:

Just a covfefe boy, right?

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

There has been an insane amount of circumstantial evidence for some time now, and yes, circumstantial evidence is used in criminal cases all the time.

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I know that you know that I know. I was just trolling cwolff. The ONLY reason I wouldn't want Trump impeached is Pence, and that's not enough for me to sit here and tell anyone I don't think Trump is absolutely capable of the these things.