Russia Investigation Heating Up

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Originally Posted by Gelston

I don't see anyone defending a President who is a Russian asset that threw an election in his favor. When we have one of those, let me know.

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I would love to hear your alternative explanation for the following:

1) Trump approves a meeting with the Russian government to get dirt on his opponent
2) The top members of his campaign (and two family members) take the meeting
3) Trump denies ANY involvement with the Russian government, but it turns out his campaign had dozens of contacts with Russian cutouts and Intelligence assets, and that he was actively negotiating a Trump Tower Moscow during the election
4) Trump- having already been told by the Russians and the US Federal Government that Russia is trying to get him elected, spends years trying to convince people that it's not Russia
5) Trump immediately tries to lift Russian sanctions imposed for election meddling after getting into office and continues to stall on new sanctions, only imposing the lightest sanctions required by law (designed to minimally impact Putin)
6) Trump fires the head of the FBI for not ending the investigation into Flynn and Russia (by his own words)
7) Trying attacks NATO and our allies- the first US President to do so but something every Putin-backed candidate in the EU has done
7) Trump hires as his campaign manager a guy whose most recent work was helping Putin install a candidate in Ukraine (who was in constant contact with a Russian spy during the campaign)
8) Trump hires a known Russian spy to be one of his foreign policy experts
9) Trump- who lambasts EVERYONE including our Allies- refuses to criticize Putin even after he showed a video of them dripping a nuclear bomb on Flordia and was caught hacking our power grid, election systems, and over half a million US routers in preparation for a large-scale cyber attack.
10) Russia went all out supporting Trump- with a full-scale disinformation campagin and- potentially tens of millions of dollars in dark money flowing to Trump's businesses and conservative lobbying groups.

Let's hear it. Explain to the class how this ISN'T the story of Russia helping to get a US President elected in return for the easing of Russian sanctions and the weakening of the NATO alliance- Putin's top two foreign policy objectives.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

I would love to hear your alternative explanation for the following:

1) Trump approves a meeting with the Russian government to get dirt on his opponent
2) The top members of his campaign (and two family members) take the meeting
3) Trump denies ANY involvement with the Russian government, but it turns out his campaign had dozens of contacts with Russian cutouts and Intelligence assets, and that he was actively negotiating a Trump Tower Moscow during the election
4) Trump- having already been told by the Russians and the US Federal Government that Russia is trying to get him elected, spends years trying to convince people that it's not Russia
5) Trump immediately tries to lift Russian sanctions imposed for election meddling after getting into office and continues to stall on new sanctions, only imposing the lightest sanctions required by law (designed to minimally impact Putin)
6) Trump fires the head of the FBI for not ending the investigation into Flynn and Russia (by his own words)
7) Trying attacks NATO and our allies- the first US President to do so but something every Putin-backed candidate in the EU has done
7) Trump hires as his campaign manager a guy whose most recent work was helping Putin install a candidate in Ukraine (who was in constant contact with a Russian spy during the campaign)
8) Trump hires a known Russian spy to be one of his foreign policy experts
9) Trump- who lambasts EVERYONE including our Allies- refuses to criticize Putin even after he showed a video of them dripping a nuclear bomb on Flordia and was caught hacking our power grid, election systems, and over half a million US routers in preparation for a large-scale cyber attack.
10) Russia went all out supporting Trump- with a full-scale disinformation campagin and- potentially tens of millions of dollars in dark money flowing to Trump's businesses and conservative lobbying groups.

Let's hear it. Explain to the class how this ISN'T the story of Russia helping to get a US President elected in return for the easing of Russian sanctions and the weakening of the NATO alliance- Putin's top two foreign policy objectives.

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I'm sure you just missed my post so I'm reposting it.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

You keep saying things like this. Can you please name which sanctions Trump has lifted and which favors Trump has done for the Kremlin. And please don't say something stupid like "He was mean to NATO!!!"

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Originally Posted by time4fun

I would love to hear your alternative explanation for the following:

1) Trump approves a meeting with the Russian government to get dirt on his opponent
2) The top members of his campaign (and two family members) take the meeting
3) Trump denies ANY involvement with the Russian government, but it turns out his campaign had dozens of contacts with Russian cutouts and Intelligence assets, and that he was actively negotiating a Trump Tower Moscow during the election
4) Trump- having already been told by the Russians and the US Federal Government that Russia is trying to get him elected, spends years trying to convince people that it's not Russia
5) Trump immediately tries to lift Russian sanctions imposed for election meddling after getting into office and continues to stall on new sanctions, only imposing the lightest sanctions required by law (designed to minimally impact Putin)
6) Trump fires the head of the FBI for not ending the investigation into Flynn and Russia (by his own words)
7) Trying attacks NATO and our allies- the first US President to do so but something every Putin-backed candidate in the EU has done
7) Trump hires as his campaign manager a guy whose most recent work was helping Putin install a candidate in Ukraine (who was in constant contact with a Russian spy during the campaign)
8) Trump hires a known Russian spy to be one of his foreign policy experts
9) Trump- who lambasts EVERYONE including our Allies- refuses to criticize Putin even after he showed a video of them dripping a nuclear bomb on Flordia and was caught hacking our power grid, election systems, and over half a million US routers in preparation for a large-scale cyber attack.
10) Russia went all out supporting Trump- with a full-scale disinformation campagin and- potentially tens of millions of dollars in dark money flowing to Trump's businesses and conservative lobbying groups.

Let's hear it. Explain to the class how this ISN'T the story of Russia helping to get a US President elected in return for the easing of Russian sanctions and the weakening of the NATO alliance- Putin's top two foreign policy objectives.

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What sanctions has Trump eased? How has Trump weakened NATO? He is actually making it stronger by making the other countries up their defense spending. Hell, we've even began putting US Marines in Poland and upped the number in Sweden. We are threatening war with Iran, who is a huge Russian ally. Not only that, he also chided Germany for the reliance of Russian gas, saying they should buy from us instead. If they did that would crush Russia' economy. How is a Russian puppet? Explain all this to me, Cleara.

NATO spending has been increasing since 2014, not because of Trump.

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

NATO spending has been increasing since 2014, not because of Trump.

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So Trump is such a Russian puppet that NATO spending is still increasing even under his watch?

Trump isn't a very good puppet.

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

NATO spending has been increasing since 2014, not because of Trump.

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He is bring the issue to the forefront. If he was a Russian puppet or whatever you retards keep implying, he'd just tell them to not worry about it.

Now go work on your subpoenas you hispter bitch.

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

NATO spending has been increasing since 2014, not because of Trump.

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Why don't these people ever fact check anything?

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Originally Posted by time4fun

Why don't these people ever fact check anything?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

So Trump is such a Russian puppet that NATO spending is still increasing even under his watch?

Trump isn't a very good puppet.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

Why don't these people ever fact check anything?

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Way to make yourself look dumb again, Cleara.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Way to make yourself look dumb again, Cleara.

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It's like the last time the usual suspects tried to give examples of how Trump was in Putin's pocket. The only thing they could come up with is Trump isn't doing more than Obama did to prevent Russia from hacking American political campaigns. If the best they can come up with is Trump is exactly like Obama then I don't think they are putting forth the narrative they want to.