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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

Just because you run a company to work with other companies to help them do things in an ecologically responsible manner doesn't mean you necessarily have to believe in it (you're a great example) or not be in the pocket of industry.

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Precisely. The notion that Moore used to be in Greenpeace, now he owns a large corporation which means he is a shill.. is retarded.

And I do believe in what I am doing. Saving people money on their electric bill is a great thing.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Precisely. The notion that Moore used to be in Greenpeace, now he owns a large corporation which means he is a shill.. is retarded.

And I do believe in what I am doing. Saving people money on their electric bill is a great thing.

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Of course. He's a shill for other reasons.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

Of course. He's a shill for other reasons.

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What specifically are the reasons? I'm just going by what is on that wikipedia page and I don't see how he is.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

What specifically are the reasons? I'm just going by what is on that wikipedia page and I don't see how he is.

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For Christ's sake PB. You don't what know what Ad Hominem is and you don't know what a shill is? Google doesn't make it to your computer?

Look at minute 4 in your video. That's being a shill. Lifelong ecologist, Check|founder of Greenpeace, Check|Paid spokesperson for industry contributing to ACC, Crickets. That's what a shill is.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

It seems like you don't understand what a shill is. Moore runs a company that works with other companies to help them do things in an ecologically responsible manner.

Using your very basic misunderstanding of the term, I would also be a shill because I am a contractor for an electric company and you disagree with me.

That's not what a shill is.

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Moore runs a company to help other companies talk the environmental talk. Doesn't have shit to do with being environmentally friendly. Some examples are talking about the benefits of lice that go from farmed salmon to wild salmon and that clear cutting is a good thing because it lets the baby trees grow in lots of sunshine.

You help people be more environmentally friendly, Moore helps people tell people they are environmentally friendly. Do you see the difference?

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

What specifically are the reasons? I'm just going by what is on that wikipedia page and I don't see how he is.

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His nuclear energy views immediately changed when he got money from the nuclear energy industry, which causes many people to consider him a shill. Even if I think worries about nuclear energy are overblown it doesn't really fit well with this quote:

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Originally Posted by Patrick Moore

it should be remembered that there are employed in the nuclear industry some very high-powered public relations organizations. One can no more trust them to tell the truth about nuclear power than about which brand of toothpaste will result in this apparently insoluble problem

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to end up a paid spokesman for nuclear energy. What he did for Asia Pulp & Paper was not to get experts to help them be more environmental, but to flat out hire PR professionals to make them sound better. That's a lot different than helping companies be better (which he has also done). So you don't think I'm being an "omg don't kill trees!" type, what AP&P did was to also screw a whole lot of loggers out of their jobs.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

His nuclear energy views immediately changed when he got money from the nuclear energy industry, which causes many people to consider him a shill. Even if I think worries about nuclear energy are overblown it doesn't really fit well with this quote:



to end up a paid spokesman for nuclear energy. What he did for Asia Pulp & Paper was not to get experts to help them be more environmental, but to flat out hire PR professionals to make them sound better. That's a lot different than helping companies be better (which he has also done). So you don't think I'm being an "omg don't kill trees!" type, what AP&P did was to also screw a whole lot of loggers out of their jobs.

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Ok, I'll give you that. Like I said, I don't know much about him. I agree with his statements in the video though.. doesn't take much to figure our that the environmentalists care less about environmentalism and more about changing the politics to suit their needs/wants.

I just saw a story about the fleet of vehicles that the Sierra Club has.. Which illustrates this perfectly.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

For Christ's sake PB. You don't what know what Ad Hominem is and you don't know what a shill is? Google doesn't make it to your computer?

Look at minute 4 in your video. That's being a shill. Lifelong ecologist, Check|founder of Greenpeace, Check|Paid spokesperson for industry contributing to ACC, Crickets. That's what a shill is.

Moore runs a company to help other companies talk the environmental talk. Doesn't have shit to do with being environmentally friendly. Some examples are talking about the benefits of lice that go from farmed salmon to wild salmon and that clear cutting is a good thing because it lets the baby trees grow in lots of sunshine.

You help people be more environmentally friendly, Moore helps people tell people they are environmentally friendly. Do you see the difference?

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Delicious irony.. I love how you taste.

cwolff still screaming "shill!" because Moore's company did some consultancy work with energy companies but he won't make a single comment on what Moore is saying?

Working with energy companies automatically means your argument is suspect.

We need an impartial judge on this one; Latrin, is this an ad hominem?

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Don't you know what a shill is? Maybe that's the problem.

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Taking definitions from Wikipedia is bad....


shill
[shil] Show IPA Slang.
noun
1.
a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc.
2.
a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.


I don't see Moore posing as a customer. I haven't seen him praising "energy companies" except maybe when they are working towards reducing their carbon footprint. Then again, I haven't been following him 24/7 like you have maybe.

Looks like maybe for the logging industry. Of course Cwolff said energy companies.

Now.. I would say if this is a shill... then pretty much every liberal with any stock in a solar energy company is a Shill.

Al Gore is certainly a Shill.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

cwolff still screaming "shill!" because Moore's company did some consultancy work with energy companies but he won't make a single comment on what Moore is saying?

Working with energy companies automatically means your argument is suspect.

We need an impartial judge on this one; Latrin, is this an ad hominem?

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The second paragraph is an ad hominem, but it is not an accurate summation of the first paragraph. The absence of observation is not observation of absence.