Climate Change Report

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Originally Posted by Wrathbringer

I buy the urgency as well. Thirty years may be a bit extreme, but certainly our effect on the planet is cumulative, maybe even exponential. It does concern me that we'll eventually reach a tipping point where it's just too late, even if everyone is on board with addressing it. In the early '80's I was being taught about cfc's already creating huge holes in the ozone layer. I don't believe climate change is something Al Gore invented, like the internet, but rather that it's been known for some time and is only being used as a political tool as of late. I will give Al Gore credit for that, however.

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Gore doesn't believe in climate change. Gore believes in making money.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Watched about 10 minutes of that 2003 video. Noticed that Patrick Moore showed up around minute 4 to refute the ACC warnings. Ya, that Patrick Moore. The greenpeace guy who's now shilling for the energy industry. Scary that this Penn and Teller bit resonates more with you than any amount of scholarship published.

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I watched that video and could have sworn you sound like one of those environmental "experts" that made crazy claims.

I don't think anyone is surprised that you would be in this group of alarmists... people who think it's sexy to be part of a group, but honestly don't know a thing about that which you are "protesting" for.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

I watched that video and could have sworn you sound like one of those environmental "experts" that made crazy claims.

I don't think anyone is surprised that you would be in this group of alarmists... people who think it's sexy to be part of a group, but honestly don't know a thing about that which you are "protesting" for.

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Welcome to Ad Hominem, population: PB.

Penn and Teller hate drum circles.

In other news, glad to have PB and Wrathbringer on board the ACC train. Jarvan, how are you coming along?

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Welcome to Ad Hominem, population: PB.

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Poor, sensitive little thing you. Did I hurt your feelings?

Thankfully, you would never, ever do such an evil thing as post an ad hominem attack.

You are clearly above such things............................................ ............................................

what a hypocritical douchebag you are

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Poor, sensitive little thing you. Did I hurt your feelings?

Thankfully, you would never, ever do such an evil thing as post an ad hominem attack.

You are clearly above such things............................................ ............................................

what a hypocritical douchebag you are

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Ad hominem is a form of fallacy which is defined by it's poor reasoning. I'm encouraging you to use your noodle and post ideas that you support and are supportable. Maybe even show some evidence. It'll be a departure from your current interactions but I think it will be good for you.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Ad hominem is a form of fallacy which is defined by it's poor reasoning. I'm encouraging you to use your noodle and post ideas that you support and are supportable. Maybe even show some evidence. It'll be a departure from your current interactions but I think it will be good for you.

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Oh, really? Awesome.. let's see if I can find some examples of such:

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Another fantastic example of what I just posted about. Look how defensive you get. Allerli didn't even call you out personally. Why do you have such a personal reaction? You got a problem dude.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

You're the worst Knee-jerker we've got. I don't even believe it's possible to have a discussion about racial impact without you automatically getting defensive. There's some deep seated issue with you and race that's probably not healthy. You should put some thought into that.

Your post is a great example. I didn't say anything that would send a reasonable person into a tantrum.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

It's just about a whole lot of bullshit. I'm finding the right is lacking in substance. They have shit for policies, no health care ideas, they just have nothing positive going on for the American people. That's why you guys are talking about manhood and mom jeans. It's intellectually bankrupt.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

I think your question is a bad idea. It shows lazy thought processes and requires the one being questioned to hold the same prejudices as the one asking. Try it in a non-douche bag format.

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This forum is littered with perfect examples... I only had to look at yesterday for these... Not counting the first one I quoted of yours from today....................

Seriously though, the high road isn't a place you are able to travel.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Watched about 10 minutes of that 2003 video. Noticed that Patrick Moore showed up around minute 4 to refute the ACC warnings. Ya, that Patrick Moore. The greenpeace guy who's now shilling for the energy industry.

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But you have no problem with the journalist turned global warming expert/activist who has written two books on the subject and is making money by shouting about the end times due to global warming?

Here is a dandy graph to show the number of times experts have concluded our world would have already ended or be nearing an end:

http://nces.ed.gov/tempfiles/nceskid...g?temp=4399239

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Penn pretty much sums up my position on this.

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If it takes a half hour to sum up your position, I'd hate to see the full opus.

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Oh, really? Awesome.. let's see if I can find some examples of such:

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You don't understand what an ad hominem is. Here is how it works:

a person rudely disputes your claims - NOT ad hominem
a person makes rude remarks about you or your claims - NOT ad hominem
a person dismisses your claims on the basis of a character flaw (perceived or actual) - ad hominem

Now we can consider each citation in turn:

You dismiss cwolff's claims as ignorant because he sounded like an alarmist - ad hominem
Cwolff accuses you of being defensive - NOT ad hominem, because he makes no judgment of your claims
Cwolff accuses you of being a knee-jerker - NOT ad hominem, because he makes no judgment of your claims
Cwolff describes the policies of the right in fecal terms - NOT ad hominem, because his judgment of the claims is wholly encapsulated with the claims
Cwolff describes Methais' question as the result of lazy thought processes - NOT ad hominem, but you're getting closer!
If Cwolff had said "I think your question is a bad idea. It shows that you're lazy.", that would be ad hominem.