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05-28-2004, 04:02 PM
Ravenstorm

Shrub did a very good job in taking out the Taliban. He gets credit for that. Would Gore have done the same? Probably. All the info Bush had after 9/11 Gore would have had as well. Clarke would have pushed for it as would the military. Still, it's possible Bush did a better job with them than Gore would have.

And had Bush left office right after that it would have been perfect. We're worse off now than right after Afghanistan and that's a situation Gore would not have put us in. And if Gore can't play football? Big fucking deal. That it was even mentioned is the biggest sign of the idiocy of some of the people who support Bush. I'd rather have a nerd than a dumb jock making the decisions for the country.

Now if you Republican idiots had nominated McCain instead of Dubya...

Raven
05-28-2004, 04:04 PM
Artha

Then we'd hardly be Republicans.
05-28-2004, 04:06 PM
Delirium

Suddenly all the democrats love McCain because they think they can all talk him into being VP for Kerry. That aint happening. You might as well take polls if JFK would run VP for Kerry.
05-28-2004, 04:08 PM
Prestius

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Let me guess Artha? The Second WTC Bombing?!!!

Well by golly it does, doesn't it?

Gee whiz .. is it possible that Clinton could have done more about al Quaeda at the end of his term? Absolutely!

Since the 93 WTC bombings happened on Clinton's watch, wasn't he ultimately responsible? Definately! Did Clinton track down and proscecute those responsible? Damn straight!

So .. which is it. Are you going to hold Bush to this same standard? Or are you going to blame 9/11 on Clinton and Gore, because God forbid our current president actually take some fucking responsibility for something.

And l loved the complaints about someone somewhere hearing story that Clinton might have been playing golf instead of attacking al Quaeda. Do you really want to discuss how much time Bush has spent on vacation? or where he was when the terrorism chatter was at an all-time high in the summer of 2001?

-P
05-28-2004, 04:11 PM
Ravenstorm

Suddenly? McCain is one of the better Republicans out there. Had he been running against Gore, I might even have voted for him. If it was McCain verse Kerry, that would be even a tougher decision with McCain probably getting my vote. He's sensible. He's also not (that I know of but could be wrong) controlled by the religious right which is my number one problem with the Republican party.

Raven
05-28-2004, 04:14 PM
Artha

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is it possible that Clinton could have done more about al Quaeda at the end of his term? Absolutely!

Is it possible Bush (I) could've done more for terrorism at the end of his term! Sure! Except, well:

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It was the investigation of WTC bombing that first put al Quaeda even on the radar - that made us aware of its existence.

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Did Clinton track down and proscecute those responsible? Damn straight!

I get it now! By refusing Osama when he was offered up by Syria in 1996, he was letting Osama live with his guilt! Great job, President Clinton!
05-28-2004, 04:17 PM
Delirium

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Originally posted by Ravenstorm
Suddenly? McCain is one of the better Republicans out there. Had he been running against Gore, I might even have voted for him. If it was McCain verse Kerry, that would be even a tougher decision with McCain probably getting my vote. He's sensible. He's also not (that I know of but could be wrong) controlled by the religious right which is my number one problem with the Republican party.

Raven

Very true,but you have to admit that at least some democrats started loving McCain when the polls showed like a 14 point lead for Kerry against Bush if McCain was the VP. Maybe Bush can dump Cheney and hire on Edwards and either way both parties win(and lose).
05-28-2004, 04:27 PM
Ravenstorm

Getting rid of Bush is one of the biggest recommendation someone could have so yes, Democrats should like McCain just for that. But it's also who he is as displayed witht he entire Iraq fiasco.

He obviously doesn't believe that speaking up is anti-American. He doesn't believe criticizing his own party makes him a bad person. He doesn't believe that things should be swept under the carpet or that the ends justify the means. He believes in humane treatment of prisoners, getting to the bottom of political fuckups and people taking responsibility for things that go wrong. And on top of it, he doesn't shove his religious beliefs into people's faces and try to codify them into law.

The exact opposite of Bush and his flunkies.

Now granted, he hasn't been examined under a microscope like a presidential candidate has been since he never reached that level (as opposed to a party candidate). Nor did I pay too much attention to the Republican primaries since I'm a registered Democrat so there might be things about him I don't like. But from what I've seen of him, I like him. And I certainly trust him a hell of a lot more than I do Bush. Probably more than I do Kerry for that matter but it would take more researching. Course, since he won't ever be running, there's not much point to do it.

Raven
05-28-2004, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Prestius

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Gee whiz .. is it possible that Clinton could have done more about al Quaeda at the end of his term? Absolutely!

He did what he felt prudent at the time. It was not enough, just as what Bush did was not enough.

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Since the 93 WTC bombings happened on Clinton's watch, wasn't he ultimately responsible? Definately!

No not in my eyes.

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Did Clinton track down and proscecute those responsible? Damn straight!

Most of those involved yes. Is President Bush, and all of law enforcement be they the FBI, CIA, and the military not attempting to do the same right now?

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So .. which is it. Are you going to hold Bush to this same standard? Or are you going to blame 9/11 on Clinton and Gore, because God forbid our current president actually take some fucking responsibility for something.

No I dont blame it on Clinton and Gore. I blame it on those that committed the atrocities.

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And l loved the complaints about someone somewhere hearing story that Clinton might have been playing golf instead of attacking al Quaeda.

You will enjoy Moore's new movie no doubt, I think he accuses Bush of the same thing in it.

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Do you really want to discuss how much time Bush has spent on vacation?

I agree with you there, Clinton spent a lot of time at Camp David while he was in though. But I would say bush has spent more time out of DC than Clinton

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or where he was when the terrorism chatter was at an all-time high in the summer of 2001?

Why don’t you fill me in on this, and give me credible sources, because I am sure you do not remember off of the top of your head.

-P [/quote]
05-28-2004, 04:32 PM
Bobmuhthol

<<You will enjoy Moore's new movie no doubt, I think he accuses Bush of the same thing in it.>>

Nevermind. Fahrenheit 911 I know nothing about, but if it's anything like Bowling for Columbine, I don't doubt it.

[Edited on 5-28-2004 by Bobmuhthol]

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