Michigan DA politicizing school shooting tragedy by charging parents

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

I find it extremely unlikely that the school doesn't have the power to immediately suspend or expel a student if they have reason to believe he will harm other students. At the very least they have the power to send him home that day.

If schools don't have this power then they need to immediately be given this power.

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Public Schools don’t have the authority to just suspend or expel a student at their discretion, remember they are government entities and must comply with constitutional safeguards like due process (notice and an opportunity to be heard). That’s why they have a discipline matrix in student handbooks. These typically have graduated punishments prior to suspension. I don’t know about Michigan, but the state where I live has a statutory public policy not to expel except in egregious circumstances. In this case, it appears that the student had general, non-specific threats and signs of a mental health problem/crisis. You’re not going to sustain a suspension for that as the threats will be considered minor and mental health isn’t a disciplinary issue.

Hence the reason they should have assigned the kid to online classes and sent him packing.

Forest, meet trees. Check my last post, dumbass.

ETA: thought I quoted, that’s a response to Seran.

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Originally Posted by Seran

The principle should be hailed as a hero for doing everything they could within the law. That this happened minutes after the parents were summoned and abandoned their armed son in school shows just how right their instincts were.

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This is an absolutely asinine statement. He most certainly is not a hero and he did not do everything he could within the law. I think he’s almost as negligent as the parents.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Fuck off you little fucker.

So the principal is a hero for doing nothing but the parents are murderers for doing nothing? The school is responsible for the safety of ALL students at school. If they truly felt the shooter was a danger to other students then they absolutely have an obligation to do something to keep the other students safe.

Saying the school gets a pass from their duties because the parents didn't take him home is complete bullshit.

Either every adult involved in this situation is guilty of a crime or no one is guilty, otherwise it's just partisan politics bullshit. I smelled the partisan bullshit the minute I read the DA was charging him with terrorism even before the police had a motive. Having a motive is like the biggest part of charging someone with terrorism.

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Immediately blaming the school when a student just got done shooting up the school. That's a classic bit of right wing denial. Don't blame the gun, don't blame the one using the gun, don't even blame the ones who bought the gun. Blame the ones without any responsibility or power to stop the person from using the gun!

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Originally Posted by Seran

Immediately blaming the school when a student just got done shooting up the school. That's a classic bit of right wing denial.

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You're confused as usual, little fucktard. -I- am the one saying no one is responsible for this except for the shooter himself, unless there is more evidence that the parents or school knew more about his mental instability.

What I AM saying is that if the parents had the same information that the school had then it's complete bullshit to blame the parents and give the school a pass.

I am more than willing to change my stance if the state comes out with evidence showing the parents knew their son was mentally unstable and had suicidal or homicidal thoughts and still thought it was a good idea to keep guns in an unlocked drawer in their home.

I highly doubt we are going to see such evidence though because this DA sure does seem to have a political axe to grind. It should scare all of you Democrats who want "no bail" reform and for prisons to be emptied out and for police departments to be dismantled that a DA wants to charge someone with terrorism anytime someone is scared while a crime is being committed. That's about as absurd as it gets. What's next, someone robs a gas station and doesn't harm anyone and gets away with 5 bucks and is charged with terrorism and faces decades behind bars (in Michigan the punishment is up to life!) because the gas station attendant was scared?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

You're confused as usual, little fucktard. -I- am the one saying no one is responsible for this except for the shooter himself, unless there is more evidence that the parents or school knew more about his mental instability.

What I AM saying is that if the parents had the same information that the school had then it's complete bullshit to blame the parents and give the school a pass.

I am more than willing to change my stance if the state comes out with evidence showing the parents knew their son was mentally unstable and had suicidal or homicidal thoughts and still thought it was a good idea to keep guns in an unlocked drawer in their home.

I highly doubt we are going to see such evidence though because this DA sure does seem to have a political axe to grind. It should scare all of you Democrats who want "no bail" reform and for prisons to be emptied out and for police departments to be dismantled that a DA wants to charge someone with terrorism anytime someone is scared while a crime is being committed. That's about as absurd as it gets. What's next, someone robs a gas station and doesn't harm anyone and gets away with 5 bucks and is charged with terrorism and faces decades behind bars (in Michigan the punishment is up to life!) because the gas station attendant was scared?

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You start off that post sounding reasonable, then immediately launching into attacking the DA for daring to charge the kid who just shot up the school. Or charging the parents. Police release one of the Mom's texts to her son after he was reported for looking up ammunition a school.

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"Jennifer Crumbley exchanged text messages about the incident with her son on that day, stating, quote, 'LOL, I'm not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught.'

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Mom gives a hard pass to their kid for doing something inappropriate. Then, when brought to school and shown pictures of messages such as "The thoughts won't stop. Help me,", "My life is useless", "The world is dead." They didn't do any parenting. Mom wasn't doing any parenting when she was bragging about buying her kid a semiautomatic. Contributory negligence.

You wanna advocate second amendment rights? Follow it up with making sure people use firearms responsibly and you'll have some credibility.

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Originally Posted by Sighisoara

Public Schools don’t have the authority to just suspend or expel a student at their discretion, remember they are government entities and must comply with constitutional safeguards like due process (notice and an opportunity to be heard).

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He most certainly is not a hero and he did not do everything he could within the law. I think he’s almost as negligent as the parents.

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Hopefully you're unaware the school district pointed out that couldn't have sent this kid home as he did nothing wrong up to that point, and couldn't be disciplined. Because you're giving a hard pass like Dreaven for the parents not taking their little murderer, and he is a murderer, home.

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Originally Posted by Seran

then immediately launching into attacking the DA for daring to charge the kid who just shot up the school.

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Again fucking read or just piss right off out of this discussion. Why do you have to Seran up every discussion?

I am NOT "attacking" the DA for "charging the kid", I even gave a preamble in the very first sentence in the very first post specifically for this dumb shit that I just knew you would post.

And here it is:

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Before pieces of shit such as Seran accuse me of defending the shooter, no, the shooter should 100% be charged for multiple counts of murder, should be tried as an adult, and should spend the rest of his life in prison. Shit go ahead and execute the fucker for all I care. This is about the DA politicizing this case.

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What I am "attacking" the DA for is for her obvious political shenanigans of charging the shooter with terrorism before police even had a motive, I don't think police even have a motive now. Shit I'm pretty sure she announced the terrorism charges within an hour of the shooting.

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Originally Posted by Seran

Hopefully you're unaware the school district pointed out that couldn't have sent this kid home as he did nothing wrong. Because you're giving a hard pass like Dreaven for the parents not taking their little murdered, and he is a murderer, home.

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He most certainly is a murderer, no argument there. For whatever reason you’re giving the school a free pass as there were several things that should, and legally could, have occurred. First and foremost, keep the kid in the office where any potential harm is largely mitigated to adults. Second, search the kid, his belongings and his locker, if he has one. Turns out they could have expelled him had they done that. Third, assign the kid to online classes. If the parents refuse to take him at that point, call CPS as he’s been abandoned by his custodians and is a dependent child. Fourth, summon the SRO and have him transport the kid to the local hospital for a 1036 psychiatric hold.

To say that the school had no options is just wrong. If you want to open the can of negligence beyond the heinous shit this kid did, you have to open it all the way. That’s my point.

ETA: and under no circumstances should the kid have been sent back to class.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Again fucking read or just piss right off out of this discussion. Why do you have to Seran up every discussion?

I am NOT "attacking" the DA for "charging the kid", I even gave a preamble in the very first sentence in the very first post specifically for this dumb shit that I just knew you would post.

And here it is:



What I am "attacking" the DA for is for her obvious political shenanigans of charging the shooter with terrorism before police even had a motive, I don't think police even have a motive now. Shit I'm pretty sure she announced the terrorism charges within an hour of the shooting.

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You don't think throwing shade at a district attorney for politicizing a tragedy by charging a kid with terrorism isn't playing the right winger card a little hard? I'll give you props for making me laugh about Seran'ing up every discussion. But I'll be damned if you're not every bit as politically skewed.