Climate Change Report

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Originally Posted by Johnny Five

Yeah the number of countries telling us to "Fuck Off" seems to be only getting larger.

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Whoa... that only happened because George W Bush was President.

Everyone loves us now, thanks to Obama.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

I'm not exactly seeing the Republican crusade to reduce coal and oil subsidies.

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I must not be Republican.

You can also count me being against farm subsidies as well.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

I must not be Republican.

You can also count me being against farm subsidies as well.

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I'd certainly support it if somebody other than Ron Paul actually made a play for subsidy removal.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

No, we do not expect you to believe anything that wasn't programmed into your brain housing group already.



Got any idea how much shit you have that's subsidized? Everything you eat and all the gas you burn has been. Home ownership is subsidized. We've got a 35% tax rate for corporations who only pay 25% because of write offs. Some companies like Apple recently made the news for having no tax liability. That's a subsidy. Things are nearly so black and white and it may seem to you.

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Where did I say I DIDN'T know that.

Notice the part where I said I hate ALL Subsidies? I don't pick and choose which I hate, I hate them all. And yes, things are very black and white. Subsidy, no subsidy. I think that's pretty black and white. Don't do them. Period.

The Federal Government should have nothing to do with a company succeeding. I mean seriously... what kind of company goes.. "Our business model only works if we get a 20% subsidy from the government".

As for tax rate.. We are among the highest in the world. if we reduced it, and got rid of tax breaks, we would see a net increase in tax from them.

Here is the thing. I understand you would love it if everyone richer then you paid their "fair share" and all. But getting rid of these stupid tax breaks for everyone would be a good thing. A rich person doesn't need a tax break for buying a home. maybe a poor person could use it, but it still shouldn't be there. "Congrats for buying the home, now your neighbor will proceed to pay part of your taxes until you sell the home!" Explain to me how that makes any sense at all.

Most of the people ~I~ know that live paycheck to paycheck live in apartments or rent. So not sure how a subsidy for buying a home helps them, they are just subsidizing someone else.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

I'm not exactly seeing the Republican crusade to reduce coal and oil subsidies.

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Hmm.. Never said anything about me being republican. Go Figure. I think both parties are shit. I believe I have said that enough. Not that I expect you to understand the difference.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

I'd certainly support it if somebody other than Ron Paul actually made a play for subsidy removal.

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Why, have something against Ron Paul?

What you are saying is... because it's Ron Paul, you are not behind it. You would be behind it if .. Reid was for it? or Obama?

How about if McCain was for it? Or Cruz?

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Originally Posted by Jarvan

Where did I say I DIDN'T know that.

Notice the part where I said I hate ALL Subsidies? I don't pick and choose which I hate, I hate them all. And yes, things are very black and white. Subsidy, no subsidy. I think that's pretty black and white. Don't do them. Period.

The Federal Government should have nothing to do with a company succeeding. I mean seriously... what kind of company goes.. "Our business model only works if we get a 20% subsidy from the government".

As for tax rate.. We are among the highest in the world. if we reduced it, and got rid of tax breaks, we would see a net increase in tax from them.

Here is the thing. I understand you would love it if everyone richer then you paid their "fair share" and all. But getting rid of these stupid tax breaks for everyone would be a good thing. A rich person doesn't need a tax break for buying a home. maybe a poor person could use it, but it still shouldn't be there. "Congrats for buying the home, now your neighbor will proceed to pay part of your taxes until you sell the home!" Explain to me how that makes any sense at all.

Most of the people ~I~ know that live paycheck to paycheck live in apartments or rent. So not sure how a subsidy for buying a home helps them, they are just subsidizing someone else.



Hmm.. Never said anything about me being republican. Go Figure. I think both parties are shit. I believe I have said that enough. Not that I expect you to understand the difference.

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I don't know about where you live but around here a lot of apartment complexes are subsidized.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Businesses "can't"?

Really??

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/7...ge_vg1thmb.jpg

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Ya, Virgin Galactic went to the moon in 1969.

You get in such a rage that you just fire away at the keyboard and keep blowing us up with drivel. Just Pause, take some deep breaths and engage your brain a little bit. THINK. That's all you have to do is T H I N K.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

You get in such a rage that you just fire away at the keyboard and keep blowing us up with drivel. Just Pause, take some deep breaths and engage your brain a little bit. THINK. That's all you have to do is T H I N K.

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Funny, that is how everyone sees you.

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Originally Posted by Laviticas

We can't even get a five day weather forecast right you expect me to believe this crap?

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I don't expect you to believe anything. If you honestly want to know how good the model is, I expect you to look at the model.

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Originally Posted by Jarvan

Actually, coal plants operating costs tend to be lower then Solar. It's the fuel that lets Solar catch up in 20 years or so. The problem is at that point, the solar panels tend to need to be replaced. So there is another large jump in costs. Now... what company is going to be ok with not making a profit for 20 years?

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You've conflated two very different things here: making a profit relative to coal and making a profit at all. The first does not occur because as we agree the two break even. This necessarily implies that the second does occur, because no one would make coal plants if they ran at a loss, therefore coal plants run at a profit, therefore solar plants (which break even with coal plants) run at a profit. How much earlier than 20 years depends on exactly how profitable coal plants are.

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And why should I give that company money, not knowing if I will ever get it back, so I can buy their product? This is why I hate ALL subsidies. We may not see some, but could you imagine if when you went to a GM dealership, they asked you for a 1,000 $ check. Then told you to come back in 3 months and buy a car for full price? You would ask them what the 1,000 was for, and they would say.. "So we can afford to build your car, duh". You would ask, "then why don't I get 1,000 off the price of the car?" ... "We have to make a profit" they would respond.

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Surely we agree that barriers to entry are real, and surely we agree that measured competition in the marketplace is a good thing. To create as much competition as possible, we want the barriers to entry to be as low as possible. It's not a question of profit vs. loss, it's a question of start-up capital. The GM dealership example is not analogous because GM entered the market many years ago.

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As for tax rate.. We are among the highest in the world. if we reduced it, and got rid of tax breaks, we would see a net increase in tax from them.

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This is an incorrect application of the Laffer Curve. It does not say that taxes higher than the global average reduce tax revenue, but that taxes higher than the optimal tax rate do. American history demonstrates that we are far below that optimal tax rate.

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Originally Posted by Atlanteax

Funny, that is how everyone sees you.

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Funny, you think you speak for everyone.