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Originally Posted by Jarvan

Actually, coal plants operating costs tend to be lower then Solar. It's the fuel that lets Solar catch up in 20 years or so. The problem is at that point, the solar panels tend to need to be replaced. So there is another large jump in costs. Now... what company is going to be ok with not making a profit for 20 years? And why should I give that company money, not knowing if I will ever get it back, so I can buy their product?

This is why I hate ALL subsidies. We may not see some, but could you imagine if when you went to a GM dealership, they asked you for a 1,000 $ check. Then told you to come back in 3 months and buy a car for full price? You would ask them what the 1,000 was for, and they would say.. "So we can afford to build your car, duh". You would ask, "then why don't I get 1,000 off the price of the car?" ... "We have to make a profit" they would respond.

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I'm not exactly seeing the Republican crusade to reduce coal and oil subsidies.

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Originally Posted by Laviticas

We can't even get a five day weather forecast right you expect me to believe this crap?

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No, we do not expect you to believe anything that wasn't programmed into your brain housing group already.

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Originally Posted by Jarvan

Actually, coal plants operating costs tend to be lower then Solar. It's the fuel that lets Solar catch up in 20 years or so. The problem is at that point, the solar panels tend to need to be replaced. So there is another large jump in costs. Now... what company is going to be ok with not making a profit for 20 years? And why should I give that company money, not knowing if I will ever get it back, so I can buy their product?

This is why I hate ALL subsidies. We may not see some, but could you imagine if when you went to a GM dealership, they asked you for a 1,000 $ check. Then told you to come back in 3 months and buy a car for full price? You would ask them what the 1,000 was for, and they would say.. "So we can afford to build your car, duh". You would ask, "then why don't I get 1,000 off the price of the car?" ... "We have to make a profit" they would respond.

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Got any idea how much shit you have that's subsidized? Everything you eat and all the gas you burn has been. Home ownership is subsidized. We've got a 35% tax rate for corporations who only pay 25% because of write offs. Some companies like Apple recently made the news for having no tax liability. That's a subsidy. Things are nearly so black and white and it may seem to you.

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Originally Posted by waywardgs

So some weatherman in your neighborhood tells you it's gonna be cloudy and instead it sprinkles, and in your mind this invalidates a completely different field of science.

Yep, that makes a lot of sense.

In fifth grade my math teacher incorrectly calculated an equation on the board. I don't believe in relativity because of that mistake.

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GIGO

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Originally Posted by waywardgs

So some weatherman in your neighborhood tells you it's gonna be cloudy and instead it sprinkles, and in your mind this invalidates a completely different field of science.

Yep, that makes a lot of sense.

In fifth grade my math teacher incorrectly calculated an equation on the board. I don't believe in relativity because of that mistake.

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If you can't add 2 + 2, how can one expect you to be able to use multiplication?

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Originally Posted by Jeril

If you can't add 2 + 2, how can one expect you to be able to use multiplication?

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An elementary school math teacher making a mistake does not mean Einstein was wrong.

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Originally Posted by waywardgs

An elementary school math teacher making a mistake does not mean Einstein was wrong.

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I didn't say that and you didn't answer my question.

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Originally Posted by Jeril

I didn't say that and you didn't answer my question.

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Ok... I can add 2 and 2, and I can do multiplication. If we're insisting on being literal.

Maybe it's a bad analogy. Here's another: don't ask your car mechanic to refinance your house.

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Originally Posted by waywardgs

Ok... I can add 2 and 2, and I can do multiplication. If we're insisting on being literal.

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I didn't ask if you could do them, but if one would be able to learn multiplication before one learned to use addition.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

And it's the same thing with renewables. There are good reasons beyond making a profit for the government to invest in it. It's an area where the gov't can do what businesses can't.

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Businesses "can't"?

Really??

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