Things that made you Facepalm today (Political Version)

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Originally Posted by Seran

Criminals can't buy firearms legally. Mentally ill shouldn't be able to, but can in a lot of Red states. By reducing the number of legally owned firearms capable of mass murder, then you reduce the gray market or straight black market resale of once legally owned firearms by first party owners or who wind up in the hands of criminals by theft. Duh.

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Mentally ill people can’t. He was never admitted into an institution.

How terribly frightening it must be for a child to grow up in a society where adults argue about having the right to kill children before they are born, and only focus on the tools used to do so when it is done after they are born.

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Originally Posted by Shaps

If the Government says 18 is the age of "adulthood" and right to vote.. then every legal protection should be afforded them. I disagree with the law saying you can only drink at 21, etc...

Either change the legal age of "adulthood" as it applies to the law to accommodate the discrepancies, or set everything as "legal" at 18 as it is currently the definition of an "adult".

That's my opinion on it.

The one thing that I think should be implemented... is every individual purchasing a weapon must be required to complete a minimum of an 80 hour firearms course/drills - or alternative "test-out" options (ie. shooting drills, assembly/disassembly, written test, etc). The fact we have licenses for vehicles, and not weapons is absurd.

I am 100% for people owning weapons, but requiring a safety/drills course to ensure proper handling is well within the respectable purview in my opinion.

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What other Constitutional rights do we have to have the government's permission or authorization to exercise?

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Originally Posted by Seran

About twenty years, yes, under a conservative court.

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No. US citizens have had the legal right to own firearms since forever in this country.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

Schools are literally falling apart.

Parkbandit "Fucking socialists!"

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You know what helps schools? Tax money from working people.

Maybe you should sit this one out... as usual.

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~

What other Constitutional rights do we have to have the government's permission or authorization to exercise?

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I get what you're saying, but I'm reasonable when it comes to laws - instituted by our elected officials, in compliance with the Constitution. Requiring mandatory training/certification in weapons handling seems like a very reasonable metric... as opposed to banning weapon systems.

I personally think a minimum of 160 hours for full training/repetitive tasks.. but 80, IMO, is minimum for safe handling/employment procedures to ensure an owner is capable to handle their firearm.

The idea of banning weapon systems - even military grade weapons, even though I get why they do it - is something I dislike all together... but again I'm reasonable to accommodate properly written laws/safety measures to ensure firearm safety.

The ironic part is... for some reason in the past 20+ years people hate the NRA... when the NRA actually provided all of these services to ensure people were safe and properly trained to respect weapons...

I think of it like the whole "defund the police" movement - respect for police erodes... "defund NRA" - respect for weapons erodes...

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Originally Posted by Shaps

I get what you're saying, but I'm reasonable when it comes to laws - instituted by our elected officials, in compliance with the Constitution. Requiring mandatory training/certification in weapons handling seems like a very reasonable metric... as opposed to banning weapon systems.

I personally think a minimum of 160 hours for full training/repetitive tasks.. but 80, IMO, is minimum for safe handling/employment procedures to ensure an owner is capable to handle their firearm.

The idea of banning weapon systems - even military grade weapons, even though I get why they do it - is something I dislike all together... but again I'm reasonable to accommodate properly written laws/safety measures to ensure firearm safety.

The ironic part is... for some reason in the past 20+ years people hate the NRA... when the NRA actually provided all of these services to ensure people were safe and properly trained to respect weapons...

I think of it like the whole "defund the police" movement - respect for police erodes... "defund NRA" - respect for weapons erodes...

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There is no "reasonable" with unreasonable people. Any kind of requirement is simply an opening and a stepping stone for total loss of Rights. We have seen these abuses with the ATF and changing regs constantly, idiocy about taxes on weapons and ammo and so on and every other kind of backhanded ban or limit. Training is another gateway for them to cause defacto bans so no, it's not reasonable or responsible or allowable.

This is all without regard to the cost, anything mandated will increase in cost, the lack of quality and the loss of life for people in need of defense that can't get it because of the training requirement. How many people get hurt or die due to waiting periods? More than 0. How about the people in cities that needed help in a crisis like the riots in 2016 or 2020?

No such limit is acceptable and the current limits are already over reach and being abused to the harm of the people.

Responsibility belongs solely on the criminal and partially on all the whiners that didn't press charges at the many times the police were called for his previous violent episodes. Any one of which would have made him ineligible to buy.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Mentally ill people can’t. He was never admitted into an institution.

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And yet if the ar-15 is were still illegal as it was at their federal level some 20+ years ago, then the likelihood of the event would have decreased significantly

The totality of the EU has a population larger than ours, has most rifles, semi automatics and all automatic rifles outlawed and has a gun death rate of 0.9 per 100,000

The United States, with minimal gun control and more civilian guns than population, has a gun death rate of nearer that is 10.5 per 100,000.

The problem is the guns. The argument that somehow Europeans are different and less mentally ill or has less I've a criminal element is a straight up lie to misdirect from the shocking reality that our murder rate with Firearms is 10 times higher

Seems no matter which solutions are offered the Democrats just don't want to hear it. Their only response to school shootings is "How many more kids must die before we ban all guns?"

I'm beginning to think that's a threat from Democrats now.