Obama's Manhood Problem

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Originally Posted by Methais

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(red)wouldn't it be hilarious if obamacare succeeded? why don't conservatives want the president, and thus the country, to succeed at anything?

If Obamacare magically became this great thing that fixed the whole system like the way they try to sell it to people, I'd see that as a good thing.

But anyone with a pulse should know that that's not going to be the case. It would still suck if it were implemented by Reagan, Bush, or whoever on the right that you hate. So trying to play it off as "You just want it to fail because Obama!" is a bullshit straw man argument.

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Why do you want it to fail?

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Originally Posted by Methais

But anyone with a pulse should know that that's not going to be the case. It would still suck if it were implemented by Reagan, Bush, or whoever on the right that you hate. So trying to play it off as "You just want it to fail because Obama!" is a bullshit straw man argument.

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"Making Obama A One-Term President Is My Single Most Important Political Goal" -Sen. Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader, 2011

it's a very real situation. G.W. Bush was given a blank check and free reign by Democrats after 9/11, so you must mean George H.W. Bush, who dug his own grave by raising taxes (even though it was the right thing to do).

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Originally Posted by Methais

Thread: Obama's Manhood Problem

(red)wouldn't it be hilarious if obamacare succeeded? why don't conservatives want the president, and thus the country, to succeed at anything?

If Obamacare magically became this great thing that fixed the whole system like the way they try to sell it to people, I'd see that as a good thing.

But anyone with a pulse should know that that's not going to be the case. It would still suck if it were implemented by Reagan, Bush, or whoever on the right that you hate. So trying to play it off as "You just want it to fail because Obama!" is a bullshit straw man argument.

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Personally, ACA could be the greatest thing since sliced bread and I would still be against it. Government in charge of my body is always a bad thing. I'm not making some wild accusation that Obama wants us all dead, I'm just a student of history and recognize that one day it WILL be used as a form of punishment.

I would agree that it would be cool to see Obama stand up to Moochelle for once.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Why do you want it to fail?

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Because it took the system that we already had and made it worse for most people.

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Originally Posted by Allereli

"Making Obama A One-Term President Is My Single Most Important Political Goal" -Sen. Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader, 2011

it's a very real situation. G.W. Bush was given a blank check and free reign by Democrats after 9/11, so you must mean George H.W. Bush, who dug his own grave by raising taxes (even though it was the right thing to do).

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So democrats didn't want to make GWB a one term president? Or any opposing party not wanting to make the incumbent a one term president? Clearly the fact that the opposite side runs someone against the president after his first term means they hate him and want him the country to fail. Otherwise they'd just give him a free second term, right?

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Originally Posted by Methais

So democrats didn't want to make GWB a one term president? Or any opposing party not wanting to make the incumbent a one term president? Clearly the fact that the opposite side runs someone against the president after his first term means they hate him and want him the country to fail. Otherwise they'd just give him a free second term, right?

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not at the point of hijacking the government

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Originally Posted by Methais

Because it took the system that we already had and made it worse for most people.

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How did ACA make it worse for most people? Can you provide some substance?

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Originally Posted by cwolff

How did ACA make it worse for most people? Can you provide some substance?

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he probably means those "health" plans that were cancelled because they didn't meet minimum requirements for a real health plan

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Originally Posted by Allereli

he probably means those "health" plans that were cancelled because they didn't meet minimum requirements for a real health plan

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Could be. Or could be the millions who lost their employer healthcare (that met the always changing minimum requirements) and were driven to the exchanges where they were forced to pay more for programs they don't need or want?

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

Could be. Or could be the millions who lost their employer healthcare (that met the always changing minimum requirements) and were driven to the exchanges where they were forced to pay more for programs they don't need or want?

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Did millions of people lose employer healthcare because of ACA? How many millions? Is it currently millions or projected to be millions?

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Did millions of people lose employer healthcare because of ACA? How many millions? Is it currently millions or projected to be millions?

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News says millions, says it's because of ACA. Try google, I hear they do neat stuff.