Tracking Students Like Cattle

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What difference does it make if you're required to carry an ID without an RF tracker as opposed to one that is?

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One has a radio transmitter.

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How does being required to carry a badge for access to a facility a violation of your Fifth Amendment rights?

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It isn't, providing I have a choice (I don't have a reasonable choice not to attend school) and the badge does not have a radio transmitter in it. However, in this case both of those tests fail.

The Fifth Amendment implies the privacy of personal information, and location is information. Possessing a badge that broadcasts my location to the government is potentially in conflict with the right against self-incrimination.

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Originally Posted by Bobmuhthol

One has a radio transmitter.

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What difference does that make to you?

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Originally Posted by Bobmuhthol

It isn't, providing I have a choice (I don't have a reasonable choice not to attend school) and the badge does not have a radio transmitter in it. However, in this case both of those tests fail.

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What does a radio transmitter have to do with your Fifth Amendment rights? If you're required to carry an ID in school without one, how would a radio transmitter make any difference? Why do you feel you should have the choice to move anonymously on a school property?

School officials say the devices improve security and increase attendance rates, a figure that's important because some school funding is tied to attendance. The Spring district uses the tracking system to find students counted absent by classroom teachers.
Often, the student is somewhere else on campus, allowing the district to recover $194,000 in state funding since December 2008, said Christine Porter, Spring's associate superintendent for financial services.


I have no problem with this. I remember in my Junior and Senior year in HS we had to wear ID cards at school. They didn't track us, but you were required to wear them, visibly, at all times. If you forgot to bring it, you got a nice little orange paper pinned to your shirt, which also served as your Saturday detention slip.

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Originally Posted by Bobmuhthol

Really? You think a person (any member of a school administration, noting of course that almost all of these people are fucking retarded) should have that kind of power over a student body? I don't care how legal or illegal, ethical or unethical my actions are -- it's not acceptable to use RFID tracking on students.

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As a matter of fact I do. With as many school shootings and other violent acts as there are now I would like to know asap if my kid is in the same classroom where it's happening.

Also if my girls were doing something illegal on school grounds(or any where else for that matter) I'd like to have them smacked down as quickly as possible. It's not a helluva lot different than me tracking their cell phone location and them not knowing it :)

You wouldn't know if your kid is in the same classroom for two reasons: you only know where their ID is and you certainly are not going to have access to that information as it's happening. Additionally, this poses a security threat because, in the event of a school shooting, the tracking system can be compromised and it will tell the shooters exactly where everyone is; this is typically a situation we like to avoid, a la turning off lights, locking doors, and getting out of sight. But if you really believe that this system actually helps you in a school shooting situation, I guess there's nothing I can say to demonstrate how wrong you are.

It tells me a lot about your parenting that you want your children to be tracked by others, and that you think an RFID chip will tell you if an illegal act is being committed.

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Originally Posted by Bobmuhthol

You wouldn't know if your kid is in the same classroom for two reasons: you only know where their ID is and you certainly are not going to have access to that information as it's happening. Additionally, this poses a security threat because, in the event of a school shooting, the tracking system can be compromised and it will tell the shooters exactly where everyone is; this is typically a situation we like to avoid, a la turning off lights, locking doors, and getting out of sight. But if you really believe that this system actually helps you in a school shooting situation, I guess there's nothing I can say to demonstrate how wrong you are.

It tells me a lot about your parenting that you want your children to be tracked by others, and that you think an RFID chip will tell you if an illegal act is being committed.

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You're the one who brought up not wanting to be tracked while or if you were doing illegal things, I was just voicing my opinion on it.

I'm pretty sure what you think you know about my parenting is about zilch. Continue to blow hot air and froth at the mouth though, it's entertaining. When my 14 yo does it I have to keep a straight face, you i can just snicker away at.

Btw the kids are tracked quite a bit already. Video tapes on buses, attendance at the school, having to sign in and out...I'm not seeing a chip in their I'd as being a big deal since you yourself said it wouldn't help in tracking anything but their id cards.

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Originally Posted by Bobmuhthol

It tells me a lot about your parenting that you want your children to be tracked by others, and that you think an RFID chip will tell you if an illegal act is being committed.

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I see what you're doing there.
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Originally Posted by Kyra231

You're the one who brought up not wanting to be tracked while or if you were doing illegal things, I was just voicing my opinion on it.

I'm pretty sure what you think you know about my parenting is about zilch. Continue to blow hot air and froth at the mouth though, it's entertaining. When my 14 yo does it I have to keep a straight face, you i can just snicker away at.

Btw the kids are tracked quite a bit already. Video tapes on buses, attendance at the school, having to sign in and out...I'm not seeing a chip in their I'd as being a big deal since you yourself said it wouldn't help in tracking anything but their id cards.

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I brought up not wanting to be tracked. There are no qualifiers; it applies under all circumstances.

You admitted to wanting your children's school to use RFID chips to track them. I am not making anything up and it does speak to your parenting, unless you think that making decisions for your children is not parenting in which case that also speaks to your parenting.

When video surveillance on a bus becomes a realtime tracking device, let me know. When an attendance sheet becomes a realtime tracking device, let me know. When signing your name on a piece of paper becomes a realtime tracking device, let me know.

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Originally Posted by Bobmuhthol

One has a radio transmitter.



It isn't, providing I have a choice (I don't have a reasonable choice not to attend school) and the badge does not have a radio transmitter in it. However, in this case both of those tests fail.

The Fifth Amendment implies the privacy of personal information, and location is information. Possessing a badge that broadcasts my location to the government is potentially in conflict with the right against self-incrimination.

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Your location in middle school and high school isn't private information. Intact in many states in the US, if you aren't over the age of 16, there are laws specifically designed to ensure you are at school during certain hours. Another thing concerning privacy at school, by entering school grounds you forfeit any right to refuse a search of your person or articles associated to your person. Including your car in the parking lot.

They district has stated this program saves them nearly $200,000. I'm all for saving money that's specifically allocated from tax dollars to education. Privacy of a minor be damned.