.....what? There are blank only weapons that look very real. I honestly thought they didn't use real weapons. I don't get what kind of BS gaslighting you're trying to pull here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
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.....what? There are blank only weapons that look very real. I honestly thought they didn't use real weapons. I don't get what kind of BS gaslighting you're trying to pull here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
So you admittedly not knowing that they use real guns on movie sets means I'm gaslighting? I don't think you know what gaslighting means either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Back to my original point: people using the adage "don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot at" as though it applies to movie sets, are making a poor connection.
Go ahead and hate Alec Baldwin all you want. I don't care.
Why wouldn't it apply to movie sets? In what world is it suddenly okay to point a gun at someone just because they are on a movie set? The cameras weren't even rolling, he was pointing a gun at someone who wasn't even going to be on screen and then he pulled the trigger/let go of the hammer, and most importantly of all he has admitted he didn't bother to check to see if the gun was loaded himself and instead relied on the word of whoever handed him the gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
At the very least this is gross negligence on Baldwin's part and he deserves jail time.
Your point seems to be largely ignoring that he aimed a gun at someone uninvolved and wasn't an actor and had no involvement to the point that he would need to actively point a gun at them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
Why would you realistically need to aim a gun at anyone you aren't directed to by the director or choreographer? Give me a good reason.
A blank is basically a bullet. It just lacks a projectile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Oh, they're definitely butthurt over the Trump impression and whatever other liberal shenanigans Alec gets up to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
And I'd agree with you about the movie thing, if it was a prop gun. But from what I understand there were real bullets being used on set for recreational purposes, specifically in that gun, and Alec knew. Correct me if I'm misinformed, please.
As I always say, context matters. He knew what was in his hands and while he may not have known there was a real bullet he was still careless and someone died as a result of his actions. He should go to jail.
Because movies are make believe? They pretty much have to point guns at people for the make believe to be, you know... believable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Do you know how many times they practice scenes before shooting them? In some cases they might practice it 30x before shooting a scene live.
There are a huge number of speculative statements floating around this story and a ton of unknowns. Comments like Flaps, that they were using that particular gun on set with live bullets for "recreational purposes" would be an unforgivable breach of protocol, but is there any evidence of that? Other people have died in the past because of people fucking around on movie sets with prop guns. I think it's safe to say that this should never happen, but I put the blame on the staff who are in charge of guns. The prop master and armorer should have absolute control over weaponry on a movie set. That's their job.
Here's an interesting article with a listing of other past movie accident fatalities, including some involving guns:
https://www.today.com/news/news/alec...m-set-rcna3568
How is any of this an excuse for not checking the gun himself and pulling the trigger while the gun is pointed at someone? The movie productions that actually care about safety will have no one behind the camera if the shot calls for the gun to be pointed directly at the camera, but I guess in Alec Baldwin's world of movie making you just take the chance of killing someone for the sake of making a movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
Something tells me if the scene called for Alec Baldwin to put the gun in his mouth and pull the trigger he would have demanded either a fake gun or to be shown it was completely safe before he continued with the scene, but since it was just someone else's life on the line he figured eh, why bother?
Well, here's the thing: We know for certain that there was 1 live round on set and that it somehow got into the chamber of that gun. Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
Reasons:
Recreational shooting: This is what I heard. Seems the most likely explanation. They had a real gun for the movie, why not pop off a shot or two between takes? Well, besides safety reasons of course!
Somehow got mixed in with blanks? Nope, a real bullet looks real different from a blank.
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I'm really struggling to see any other reasons to have a live round there that are even close to reasonable. The other reasons would be, someone wanted someone to die, or someone wanted to get Alec in trouble.
Except they make blank guns that don't have the ability to project a bullet out the front. The barrel is basically sealed except for a gas release. They've had them for the longest time and they look just as real as a real weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astray
I never said anything about pointing guns, so I don't know why the fuck you came at me with your bullshit. All I said was I had no idea they still used real guns. So yes, you were gaslighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek