Navy Renaming Ships That Were Named For Racists

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02-03-2021, 04:06 PM
Shaps

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Originally Posted by drauz

Honestly I don't think these ships should be named after congress people, I would rather they be named after fallen troops or medal of honor recipients.

I understand what you mean regarding race, I'm not a fan of the whole group identity over the individual one. I would be with you if this was a ship named after Washington, Lincoln, or Jefferson, but this guy was a unapologetic racist in our lifetime. I could care less if his name is removed, he's the type they should be going for.

In a logical world - I agree. Modern naming conventions for those that have lived in our generation - with our current standards - should not be applauded or celebrated. I 100% agree with you.

Problem is, we live in an illogical time. That's what is so frustrating - because these jackasses will pick anything and call it what they want to achieve whatever they want. It's insane and ultimately unsustainable.
02-03-2021, 04:13 PM
drauz

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Originally Posted by Shaps

In a logical world - I agree. Modern naming conventions for those that have lived in our generation - with our current standards should not be applauded or celebrated. I 100% agree with you.

Problem is, we live in an illogical time. That's what is so frustrating - because these jackasses will pick anything and call it what they want to achieve whatever they want. It's insane and ultimately unsustainable.

I'm not saying they don't get crazy about statues and ship's names sometimes. I forget which city but they vandalized a statue of someone that was paid for by the slaves he freed or something close to that. That is obviously crazy pants.

I am only speaking about John Stennis' name. I probably wouldn't want to be a black person on ship named after a guy who tried to prevent segregation while I was still alive.
02-03-2021, 04:16 PM
Ashliana

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Originally Posted by caelric

Navy Task Force Calls for Changing Ship Names that Honor Confederacy

They are looking at renaming ships that honor the confederacy (for example, the Chancellorsville) and ship that honor racist politicians. One example given is the carrier John C. Stennis, a Senator who supported racial segregation through his tenure in the Senate, from 1947 to 1989. Of course, he was a Republican, because we all know that republicans are the racists. Oh, wait, no, Stennis was an ardent Democrat throughout his entire career.

If the ship is named after a Democrat, why are you on here whining about changing the ship's name?

.... Because he was a southern, white racist conservative from rural Mississippi who was effusively praised by Ronald Reagan when he retired. He was replaced by southern, white racist conservative Trent Lott (R-MS), who was himself forced to resign in disgrace as Republican Senate Majority Leader ... because of his praise for -- you guessed it -- segregationist Democrat-turned-Republican Strom Thurmond.
02-03-2021, 04:53 PM
Shaps

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

If the ship is named after a Democrat, why are you on here whining about changing the ship's name?

.... Because he was a southern, white racist conservative from rural Mississippi who was effusively praised by Ronald Reagan when he retired. He was replaced by southern, white racist conservative Trent Lott (R-MS), who was himself forced to resign in disgrace as Republican Senate Majority Leader ... because of his praise for -- you guessed it -- segregationist Democrat-turned-Republican Strom Thurmond.

Why do you support racist supporting politicians then? Time for Biden to go....

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...iverse-society
02-03-2021, 05:02 PM
Ashliana

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Originally Posted by Shaps

Why do you support racist supporting politicians then?

I don't support Republicans, since I tend not to support the politicians that southern, rural white racist conservatives support. In the 1800s and 1900s, it was Democrats. In 2021, it's Republicans.

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Originally Posted by Shaps

Time for Biden to go....

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...iverse-society

Thurmond eventually saw the error of his ways, decades after-the-fact. But the article you quoted -- much to your obvious dismay -- includes the fact that "Biden said: 'I disagreed deeply with Strom on the issue of civil rights and on many other issues, but I watched him change. We became good friends.'" Republican Trent Lott, however, was forced to resign since the praise for Thurmond he had specifically referred to his presidential campaign. Y'know, the presidential campaign built on a platform opposing desegregation. Almost like facts matter. Who knew?

Better luck with the intellectual dishonesty next time.
02-03-2021, 05:24 PM
Shaps

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

I don't support Republicans, since I tend not to support the politicians that southern, rural white racist conservatives support. In the 1800s and 1900s, it was Democrats. In 2021, it's Republicans.

Thurmond eventually saw the error of his ways, decades after-the-fact. But the article you quoted -- much to your obvious dismay -- includes the fact that "Biden said: 'I disagreed deeply with Strom on the issue of civil rights and on many other issues, but I watched him change. We became good friends.'" Republican Trent Lott, however, was forced to resign since the praise for Thurmond he had specifically referred to his presidential campaign. Y'know, the presidential campaign built on a platform opposing desegregation. Almost like facts matter. Who knew?

Better luck with the intellectual dishonesty next time.

You really don't get your hypocrisy do you.. ROFL. You can read back over your past couple posts and think on it.
02-03-2021, 06:50 PM
Back

I don't think the OP actually read the article before he got outraged. It was the Navy who called for a report and decided to make this change. Not democrats.
02-03-2021, 06:50 PM
Ashliana

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Originally Posted by Shaps

You really don't get your hypocrisy do you.. ROFL. You can read back over your past couple posts and think on it.

This was the best you could do? I mean, it's obvious you weren't able to actually come up with a response, but even for your absurdly low-effort shitposting, that's quite the copout. Kudos.
02-03-2021, 07:07 PM
Shaps

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

This was the best you could do? I mean, it's obvious you weren't able to actually come up with a response, but even for your absurdly low-effort shitposting, that's quite the copout. Kudos.

Ahh.. judging from your response you realized you made an uh-oh. LOL.
02-03-2021, 07:09 PM
caelric

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Originally Posted by Back

I don't think the OP actually read the article before he got outraged. It was the Navy who called for a report and decided to make this change. Not democrats.

I don't think you actually read anything I wrote, because if you did, you would be able to point to exactly where the outrage was. Protip: there was none. I am neutral about renaming these ships.

What I was using it for was to point out that one of the most racist Senators of the late 20th century was one of the ones that is possibly being renamed. And he's a Democrat, the party of racists, now and then.

But you're backlash, so I don't expect even the basic level of reading comprehension from you.

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