Hipsters would take it. It'd be the ultimate poetic justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
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Hipsters would take it. It'd be the ultimate poetic justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
Cool video about a USMC vet and Ojibwe man who's passing down his traditions. It has some footage from the "walleye wars" which took place in the 1980's. Pretty recent history for the Ojibwe in the North Country. They were only excercising their treaty rights but had to do it in the face of abuse and death threats. When people like Dan Snyder say the natives have more to worry about than the name of a football team he's right.
http://vimeo.com/86737493
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Originally Posted by Warriorbird
Whats wrong with "white guilt"?
Or, more specifically, "guilt" in general?
It's not productive. I take issue with the whole "white guilt" concept anyway. Just because I'm white and recognize the problems with equality faced by modern american society doesn't mean I somehow feel guilty or am self-hating. It just means I have empathy and want to see that this country actually lives up to what it claims to be- a place where everyone has a shot, regardless of race, creed, or religion, unhampered by historically institutionalized, systemic inequality. Because in the end, it's a non-zero sum game. The better my neighbor does, the better I do. We all benefit from one another's success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
What's right with "white guilt", particularly involving those who never owned slaves or had anything to do with any of the shit that retards like you think all white people should feel guilty over?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Guilt typically involves feeling that way over something that that person has done. Not something that people who have been dead for decades/centuries that just happened to have the same color skin.Quote:
Or, more specifically, "guilt" in general?
1. the fact or state of having committed an offense, crime, violation, or wrong, especially against moral or penal law; culpability: He admitted his guilt.
2. a feeling of responsibility or remorse for some offense, crime, wrong, etc., whether real or imagined.
3. conduct involving the commission of such crimes, wrongs, etc.: to live a life of guilt.
The only part of any of those definitions that applies to people like you are the last two words of the second definition. Unless you personally actually did something that you believe you should feel guilty over because of the color of your skin, of course.
But please tell us, since you're white, why do you personally feel guilty for being white if you haven't yourself done anything wrong to other races?
If you suffer from white guilt, then you're racist, both because you hate white people because of the color of their skin, and also because you believe that minorities are incapable of having an equal opportunity in life because of the color of their skin unless you and other white people hate themselves in order to level the playing field, because you don't think minorities can do it on their own.
Do you believe that the current generation of Germans should feel guilty over the Holocaust, despite the fact that they weren't even born until decades after it happened? Why or why not?
Do you believe that black people of today should feel black guilt because their African ancestors sold their own people into slavery centuries ago? Why or why not?
Do you believe that Johnny from the Karate Kid was a great 80s villain?
You love using the word "progress". How does any race hating themselves = progress, as opposed to treating all races equally, including their own?
What do you think white people should do to absolve themselves from all this guilt?
I don't know it really an absolve issue as much as an awareness issue... recognition that generations have built an architecture that favors some over others. You can choose to not believe it, or explain it with other opinions, but some people might choose to believe it's not something you just erase because you personally didn't add to the problem. Also guilt does not necessarily equal self hatred. You can feel empathy without hating yourself because it doesn't affect you.
Only in the sense that he appropriated asian culture because he felt great white guilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Right, so an entire race should feel guilt over something their ancestors (or even people who weren't their ancestors) did centuries before they were born.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallorick
Seems legit.
"Racial inequality exists."
"STOP TRYING TO MAKE ME FEEL GUILTY FOR BEING WHITE I DIDNT DO SHIT FUCK YOU!!"
"Uhh.. Calm down a bit, it's ok, no one is blaming you."