There's also the fact that Lincoln only won 40% of the popular vote, though he was the only 'anti-slavery' person on the ballot. (2 Democrats and a third party ran against the Republican party)Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
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There's also the fact that Lincoln only won 40% of the popular vote, though he was the only 'anti-slavery' person on the ballot. (2 Democrats and a third party ran against the Republican party)Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
Dude, why do you insist on being the biggest buzzkill of all eternity?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
But seriously. Thats some dumb shit you just spewed out. I know you don't like me, I know people in this community don't like me, but to say stupid shit just to contradict me is stupid shit.
Again, we're not going to rewrite history because your feelings. If that makes me a "buzzkill" then so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
I don't not like you, I don't think anyone on here really "dislikes" you, we just think you say stupid shit because it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Please quote for me some historians (actual historians, not SJW wannabe historians) who say the north went to war with the south to free the slaves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
The north went to war to preserve the union, the south went to war to preserve slavery. That is what everyone is saying. Do you agree?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
North of the Ohio and east of the Mississippi. This law had no bearing whatsoever on California, Oregon, Kansas...Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
Of course he only won 40% of the vote, he wasn't even on the ballot in what would become the Confederacy. Nobody's claiming most of America was anti-slavery, just that most of the North was.Quote:
Originally Posted by tyrant-201
Not a historian, but taken from Reddit as a great answer to the question at hand:Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
"The single most important reason that the North went to war in 1861 is this: the South started it.
On December 31, 1836, South Carolina passed a law that stated, in part:
Resolved, That this state do cede to the United States, all the right, title and claim of South Carolina to the site of Fort Sumter and the requisite quantity of adjacent territory
Fort Sumter and other fortifications around Charleston Harbor were legally United States territory, regardless of the legality of South Carolina's secession. Anderson and his garrison had an absolute legal right to be there.
At the same time, it was intolerable to the Confederates that the Federal government retain a fort in the middle of one of the South's most important harbors. Confederate agents were sent to Washington to negotiate for the surrender of the fort, but Lincoln refused to meet with them because he did not recognize the Confederacy as a foreign power, and opening negotiations with representatives of the Confederate government would likely be considered a recognition of their legitimacy internationally.
At this point, both sides knew that war was basically inevitable. There was still some hope that there could be a negotiated settlement - Lincoln hoped that the sentiment for secession was not as widespread as it really was, and that some compromise could be reached that would bring the seceded states back into the government, while Davis hoped that Lincoln would back down and consent to the separation. There was essentially zero chance of either of those things happening, so both sides were trying to ensure that when the war started, they wouldn't be the one who started it.
Finally, Lincoln decided to resupply the fort - but only with provisions, not men, arms or ammunition. He notified the governor of South Carolina - his agents making it clear that it was merely a formal notification from the President to the Governor of one of the United States - a courtesy, not a negotiation. This put the ball in the Confederates' court.
They could allow the provisions to arrive, but that would extend the status quo, which was intolerable to the South, indefinitely. Or they could attack the fort, and take the blame for starting the war. They chose the latter. They didn't really have much choice.
For Northerners, this changed the equation. It was no longer a question of whether or not they should go to war to preserve the Union - they were at war now. The question was whether to surrender or accept the war that had already begun. Much like public opinion after Pearl Harbor, there was no longer any question that the country needed to go to war."
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Originally Posted by Tgo01
Then why was the Emancipation Proclamation enforced?Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
You mean almost three years into the civil war? But the north went to war to begin with to free the slaves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
You mean the proclamation that only applied to states that had seceded and did not include parts that the Union had already captured?
The proclamation that would only go into effect if the Union won?
The proclamation that ended up freeing no one?
Yeah, sure sounds like it was all about freeing slaves!
Ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
Holy fuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Seriously.. it's like you keep feeling the need to prove you are a gigantic retard.
Newsflash: We know.