More Obamacare fuckups

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

It's funny how the only people who claim it was sold that way are Republicans who opposed it from the start. Being the actual target audience I'm not so convinced. And of course Glenn Beck's news site is going to edit it to make it seem like the only way it was sold. Are you going to take Daily Kos or Think Progress as representative of how Republicans sell their plans to each other?

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Are you really claiming that Glen Beck edited those video clips of Obama saying he is going to lower the costs of healthcare premiums?

Seriously?

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

To my understanding the goal was to reduce the uninsured while getting more people to pay for their coverage. Obama certainly SAID reduced costs would happen. Most of the rest of us didn't believe it was particularly likely. There are less uninsured and more people are paying for their healthcare than before though.

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Why is it called the AFFORDABLE CARE ACT if it's main goal was to reduce the uninsured?

You are a gullible fool.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Why is it called the AFFORDABLE CARE ACT if it's main goal was to reduce the uninsured?

You are a gullible fool.

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Because Obama's an excellent politician who copied Romney's Act to great success.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Are you really claiming that Glen Beck edited those video clips of Obama saying he is going to lower the costs of healthcare premiums?

Seriously?

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No. I'm claiming that a conservative website would make a clip with sound bites that only show one goal to further their talking points/agenda. Not that surprising.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

“The other thing we’ve done is to say, what are the critical needs of small business? A lot of time, one of the biggest challenges is to make sure that you, as a sole proprietor, that you can get health insurance for you and your family. So when you hear about the Affordable Care Act — Obamacare — and I don’t mind the name because I really do care. That’s why we passed it. You should know that once we have fully implemented, you’re going to be able to buy insurance through a pool so that you can get the same good rates as a group that if you’re an employee at a big company you can get right now — which means your premiums will go down.” - President Obama July 16, 2012.

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He certainly did say that one quote. It just wasn't the only thing he said. Obama's said hundreds of pages worth on healthcare.

WB, you are being disingenuous if you think that it was passed as a way to insure the uninsured. Just like Gruber said, if it had been advertised as what it was, a tax that redistributes wealth it would have died an ignominious death in committee. It is not about insuring the uninsured, you could have done that for probably 1/3 of what it cost by just opening clinics for the uninsured. It is about fairness, or at least what one side of the equations interpretation is of fairness. But I have no idea why I even bother engaging ideologues like yourself in this discussion. i should save my breath for when I am dying.

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Originally Posted by kutter

WB, you are being disingenuous if you think that it was passed as a way to insure the uninsured. Just like Gruber said, if it had been advertised as what it was, a tax that redistributes wealth it would have died an ignominious death in committee. It is not about insuring the uninsured, you could have done that for probably 1/3 of what it cost by just opening clinics for the uninsured. It is about fairness, or at least what one side of the equations interpretation is of fairness. But I have no idea why I even bother engaging ideologues like yourself in this discussion. i should save my breath for when I am dying.

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We have different beliefs as to what it is. It was advertised in multiple ways. That is simple fact.

If you don't think you're an ideologue you should do some personal reflection. Honestly, given your job, I'd be very sad if you weren't.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

That's great, we're talking about Obama and Obamacare.

Are you really saying Obama didn't claim that healthcare costs in America was too high and that his ACA was going to lower healthcare costs?

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WB will not respond to such a direct question.

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Originally Posted by Methais

Too bad they're not actually getting any real coverage and are paying for nothing.

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I personally got coverage through the exchanges and have used it frequently.

I'll just leave this here and check back in a few days.

For First Time, America's Uninsured Rate Is Below 10% - And It's Because Of Obamacare

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For the first time in more than 50 years of surveys, the CDC on Wednesday reported that more than 90% of Americans — 90.8% of us, to be specific — have health insurance.


Until now, no major survey had ever found that the uninsured rate in America has hit single digits.


The data comes from the National Health Interview Survey, which the CDC has been conducting for more than 50 years. The questions have sometimes changed, but until this year, the answers haven’t: More than 10% of respondents, and sometimes as many as 18% of Americans, have reported that they’ve been uninsured

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamo...e-is-below-10/

Uninsured Rate means nothing.

It is how much it costs for the insured.

As it is possible that an individual may actually be better off w/o paying insurance premiums.

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Originally Posted by Atlanteax

Uninsured Rate means nothing.

It is how much it costs for the insured.

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The uninsured rate is very important. I think it has been pretty well established that a pool of insured people that includes the healthy helps keep costs down. A historically high rate of insured indicates that they are being insured. Secondarily, uninsured people end up not getting care until the shit has totally hit the fan... and then they go to the emergency room, where costs are sky high, and often covered by the rest of us in one way or another. Both directly and indirectly, the number of uninsured affects your costs, so yeah, it does matter.

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Originally Posted by Atlanteax

As it is possible that an individual may actually be better off w/o paying insurance premiums.

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It's also possible that you may be better off not wearing a seat belt, and yet almost all people now wear them. Smart people plan for events that are likely to happen, as well as catastrophic events that may happen that could ruin them physically and financially.