More Obamacare fuckups

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

It's pretty clear that's not what I'm saying

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So you do acknowledge that Obama said health care costs in the US were too high and the ACA would lower those costs?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

So you do acknowledge that Obama said health care costs in the US were too high and the ACA would lower those costs?

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I said that already in one of my responses but you've been durping out because you don't want to address anything else. I merely don't feel that this is the primary purpose or even expressed primary purpose of the plan.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

I said that in my first response

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Actually you didn't but okay.

So Obamacare was supposed to lower health care costs. I say I blame Obama for healthcare costs not going down. You jump on my nuts for pointing out that Obama should be held responsible for healthcare costs not going down since that's what he promised us with Obamacare.

I about sum up these past few posts?

WB, you can argue all you want about what it was 'Intended' to do, but it was sold as lowering healthcare cost, not providing insurance for uncovered people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o65vMUk5so

Here is the proof, ad nauseum.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Actually you didn't but okay.

So Obamacare was supposed to lower health care costs. I say I blame Obama for healthcare costs not going down. You jump on my nuts for pointing out that Obama should be held responsible for healthcare costs not going down since that's what he promised us with Obamacare.

I about sum up these past few posts?

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No. Not at all and yes I did. I pointed out how laughable it is that Republicans whine so hard about Obama raising prices when the companies do it.

You respond with OMG IT WAS SUPPOSED TO LOWER COSTS!

I agree that he claimed that but suggest that was him being a politician and point out what I believe the bill was for (and what Mitt Romney said it was for when he came up with it) and point out all the conservative stuff it's supposed to do that you people spend time whining about.

You repeat yourself a bunch of times because you somehow think this is effective discussion.

Now you want to claim that "lowering costs" is the purpose of it again because you don't want to discuss the sheer amount of whinging that other Republicans do about "raised prices!" (which is hilarious in the party deeply against price fixing) and want to act like you represent everyone as opposed to some sort of strange outlier Republican who attacks Obamacare from the left while backing the party that wants to do less for people.

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Originally Posted by kutter

WB, you can argue all you want about what it was 'Intended' to do, but it was sold as lowering healthcare cost, not providing insurance for uncovered people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o65vMUk5so

Here is the proof, ad nauseum.

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It's funny how the only people who claim it was sold that way are Republicans who opposed it from the start. Being the actual target audience I'm not so convinced. And of course Glenn Beck's news site is going to edit it to make it seem like the only way it was sold. Are you going to take Daily Kos or Think Progress as representative of how Republicans sell their plans to each other?

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

No. Not at all and yes I did. I pointed out how laughable it is that Republicans whine so hard about Obama raising prices when the companies do it.

You respond with OMG IT WAS SUPPOSED TO LOWER COSTS!

I agree that he claimed that but suggest that was him being a politician and point out what I believe the bill was for (and what Mitt Romney said it was for when he came up with it) and point out all the conservative stuff it's supposed to do that you people spend time whining about.

You repeat yourself a bunch of times because you somehow think this is effective discussion.

Now you want to claim that "lowering costs" is the purpose of it again because you don't want to discuss the sheer amount of whinging that other Republicans do about "raised prices!" (which is hilarious in the party deeply against price fixing) and want to act like you represent everyone as opposed to some sort of strange outlier Republican who attacks Obamacare from the left while backing the party that wants to do less for people.

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That's great, we're talking about Obama and Obamacare.

Are you really saying Obama didn't claim that healthcare costs in America was too high and that his ACA was going to lower healthcare costs?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

That's great, we're talking about Obama and Obamacare.

Are you really saying Obama didn't claim that healthcare costs in America was too high and that his ACA was going to lower healthcare costs?

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Back to you having nothing. It's okay. I'm rooting for you not voting again.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

It's funny how the only people who claim it was sold that way are Republicans who opposed it from the start. Being the actual target audience I'm not so convinced. And of course Glenn Beck's news site is going to edit it to make it seem like the only way it was sold. Are you going to take Daily Kos or Think Progress as representative of how Republicans sell their plans to each other?

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Not sure where you got Glenn Beck from, Avik Roy works for the Manhattan Institute and Forbes, he is a Graduate of MIT and received his MD at Yale. I would think he is probably someone who can speak with some authority on what will and will not impact healthcare cost.

As far as me claiming it was sold that way, I do not have to the President literally said it HUNDREDS of times. How are we trying to sell it?

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Originally Posted by kutter

Not sure where you got Glenn Beck from, Avik Roy works for the Manhattan Institute and Forbes, he is a Graduate of MIT and received his MD at Yale. I would think he is probably someone who can speak with some authority on what will and will not impact healthcare cost.

As far as me claiming it was sold that way, I do not have to the President literally said it HUNDREDS of times. How are we trying to sell it?

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TheBlaze is Glenn Beck's news site.

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TheBlaze is an independent news and entertainment television network and website founded by conservative talk radio personality Glenn Beck.

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Given as who it was "sold to" is liberals like myself I'm not really going to believe you, a Republican, or an edited video from a conservative talk radio hosts's news company.

You can try a few more times though.

To my understanding the goal was to reduce the uninsured while getting more people to pay for their coverage. Obama certainly SAID reduced costs would happen. Most of the rest of us didn't believe it was particularly likely. There are less uninsured and more people are paying for their healthcare than before though.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

And here I thought it was to cover uninsured Americans so we don't have to pay for them as often and have more people get the old Republican "skin in the game" for their healthcare.

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“The other thing we’ve done is to say, what are the critical needs of small business? A lot of time, one of the biggest challenges is to make sure that you, as a sole proprietor, that you can get health insurance for you and your family. So when you hear about the Affordable Care Act — Obamacare — and I don’t mind the name because I really do care. That’s why we passed it. You should know that once we have fully implemented, you’re going to be able to buy insurance through a pool so that you can get the same good rates as a group that if you’re an employee at a big company you can get right now — which means your premiums will go down.” - President Obama July 16, 2012.