Climate Change Report

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Maybe I am already. Should we whip out our recycling bins and measure?

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Trust me.. you won't even come close.

Typical liberal... you like to preach it without being force to practice it.

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Tu quoque /tuːˈkwoʊkwiː/,[1] (Latin for "you, too" or "you, also") or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone's point of view based on criticism of the person's inconsistency and not the position presented[2] whereas a person's inconsistency should not discredit the position. Thus, it is a form of the ad hominem argument.[3] To clarify, although the person being attacked might indeed be acting inconsistently or hypocritically, such behavior does not invalidate the position presented.

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It's like we are watching you turn into Backlash before our eyes. Posting nonsense.

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Are you personally fighting global warming or not? You believe in good stewardship and say you're doing more to combat climate change than most people then you also say that you don't believe in it. What is it? You believe in it or don't you? You think it requires attention or not? You've got a couple wires crossed somewhere, I'm just trying to help you get it sorted out.

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I own 2 energy conservation companies. I can cover your and everyone else on this message board carbon footprint... many times over.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Trust me.. you won't even come close.

Typical liberal... you like to preach it without being force to practice it.

It's like we are watching you turn into Backlash before our eyes. Posting nonsense.

I own 2 energy conservation companies. I can cover your and everyone else on this message board carbon footprint... many times over.

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Still dodging the questions aren't you?

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Are you personally fighting global warming or not? You believe in good stewardship and say you're doing more to combat climate change than most people then you also say that you don't believe in it. What is it? You believe in it or don't you? You think it requires attention or not? You've got a couple wires crossed somewhere, I'm just trying to help you get it sorted out.

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Originally Posted by Ker_Thwap

My answer isn't black and white, because it's not a simple question. I'm pragmatic. I do what I'm capable of doing. I try not to be ignorant of what the impact my choices have on others and myself. I'm also selfish enough to want to enjoy a certain lifestyle. I'm a realist in that I know I'm living like a king compared to a tribesman in the heart of Africa, and that probably does harm the planet. I can live with that. What's wrong with rationalization?

I'd be thrilled if some research institute spent a bunch of years developing an ever developing model of the earth, the interplay of it's thousands of natural cycles, the further interplay of the cosmological motions of the earth within the solar system, and then added in the interplay of the thousands of things that mankind does that also contributes to environment changes. I think that would be some awesome data to check out and base some decisions on. What we have now is more akin to "A study on the effect of changing temperatures in a bubble in some guy's living room" and then we have non scientists claiming that study has significance.

Do I believe in man made global warming? Sure. Do I think it's a big concern for humankind? Maybe? Maybe not. That's not apathy. It's just pragmatism. Is there a lot of point in worrying about it? For who? How do you balance the Chinese peasant thrilled to be earning a living wage working in a waste producing factory with the twenty year old guy living in his parent's basement wringing his hands because he's concerned about global warming for some indefinite reason he can't quite pin down. Do I believe that markets, manufacturing efficiency, and profits will drive innovation? Do I think that government grants to profiteering researchers will drive innovation? Nope, I'm a moderate, the answer is somewhere in the middle. So, I get to piss off both sides of the debate. Just because I'm pissing you off, it doesn't mean I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum.

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I agree that pragmatism is the name of the game but not with the idea that you are a moderate. After all, it's not like we're talking about drinking Iced Tea or Hot Tea and settling on Room Temp. Tea just to appease everyone.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

I agree that pragmatism is the name of the game but not with the idea that you are a moderate. After all, it's not like we're talking about drinking Iced Tea or Hot Tea and settling on Room Temp. Tea just to appease everyone.

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Fortunately, I have no desire for your affirmation of my beliefs. Did that tea statement make sense in your head? No don't answer, I'm off to the productive portion of my day.

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Originally Posted by Ker_Thwap

Sorry for the ad hominen attacks.

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I forgive you. Go in peace and may your next girlfriend shop at Whole Foods.

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Originally Posted by RojoDisco

Inshallah.

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So you are a lazy Arab?

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Still dodging the questions aren't you?

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Which part of energy conservation are you having difficulty in understanding?

Let me boil it down to simplistic terms that even someone like you can understand:

*I do far more than my part being environmentally responsible because I believe it's the right thing to do. And I make money at it.
*I do not believe man is playing the main role in global warming (or global cooling, depending on what's trending at the time)

But, speaking of dodging questions: What are YOU doing, being the vocal voice for global warming on this forum? Exactly how are you combating this global crisis??

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Well said.

If I honestly believed in man made global warming, I would do far more than I currently do... and I'm already doing more than most of the man made global warming crowd on this message board.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Because I do believe that being good stewards of this planet is everyone's responsibility.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Which part of energy conservation are you having difficulty in understanding?

Let me boil it down to simplistic terms that even someone like you can understand:

*I do far more than my part being environmentally responsible because I believe it's the right thing to do. And I make money at it.
*I do not believe man is playing the main role in global warming (or global cooling, depending on what's trending at the time)

But, speaking of dodging questions: What are YOU doing, being the vocal voice for global warming on this forum? Exactly how are you combating this global crisis??

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Your C.V. is suspect but that's not the question is it? You talk about how you do so much to stop global warming yet you don't even believe in climate change. If climate change is fake then why are you worried about being a good steward?

Just because some doesn't believe in man made climate change, doesn't mean they want to live in a polluted world.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Your C.V. is suspect but that's not the question is it? You talk about how you do so much to stop global warming yet you don't even believe in climate change. If climate change is fake then why are you worried about being a good steward?

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Are you retarded more than usual?

I never said I'm doing so much to stop global warming. That's you reading into something that isn't there.

I said I own 2 energy conservation companies.

The only thing suspect in this thread is if your IQ is above or below 50.