Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

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Originally Posted by Gelston

No, they voted to hold a referendum.

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Like that's gonna stop Putin.

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This is what happens without energy independence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7RD5ONjv8M
http://youtu.be/A7RD5ONjv8M

The funniest thing about a referendum about if Crimea should join Russia or not.... is that it doesn't mater.

They can't vote to join a different country just like CA can't.

That being said.. Putin will just do whatever he wants, because he knows no one will try to stop him. No one in Europe really cares.. because Ukraine isn't Europe to them. And we won't do anything that could start a new cold war.

I WOULD think it would be ironic if we just suddenly decided to "sell" as in 1$ per, high tech weaponry to Ukraine for them to potentially fight a civil war. I mean.. what could Russia do about it? They love giving weapons to Syria.

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Originally Posted by Jarvan

The funniest thing about a referendum about if Crimea should join Russia or not.... is that it doesn't mater.

They can't vote to join a different country just like CA can't.

That being said.. Putin will just do whatever he wants, because he knows no one will try to stop him. No one in Europe really cares.. because Ukraine isn't Europe to them. And we won't do anything that could start a new cold war.

I WOULD think it would be ironic if we just suddenly decided to "sell" as in 1$ per, high tech weaponry to Ukraine for them to potentially fight a civil war. I mean.. what could Russia do about it? They love giving weapons to Syria.

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Yes they can, they are doing it right now. Do you think they give a shit about what the Ukrainian Constitution says if they are breaking away?

Well, the Crimea is the most heavily pro-Russian province in the Ukraine.

So in a sense, Putin will do himself a disservice if Russia annexes Crimea, as it would only encourage the formation of pro-Western governments in Ukraine.

With Crimea in Ukraine, the Western 'faction' in Ukraine had 40-60% control at any given time in the past decade, now it will be more like 55-75%.

So if Putin wants to ensure a 'neutral' Ukraine, he will stop short of annexation and just continue the 'occupation' (ie that Russian strip of land in Moldavia and the break-away Georgian provinces). Nevermind that Crimea is 'poor' and leaving it with Ukraine means that Ukraine is paying the upkeep in subsidies/etc to the population, which would help keep it under Russian financial domination.

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Originally Posted by Atlanteax

Well, the Crimea is the most heavily pro-Russian province in the Ukraine.

So in a sense, Putin will do himself a disservice if Russia annexes Crimea, as it would only encourage the formation of pro-Western governments in Ukraine.

With Crimea in Ukraine, the Western 'faction' in Ukraine had 40-60% control at any given time in the past decade, now it will be more like 55-75%.

So if Putin wants to ensure a 'neutral' Ukraine, he will stop short of annexation and just continue the 'occupation' (ie that Russian strip of land in Moldavia and the break-away Georgian provinces). Nevermind that Crimea is 'poor' and leaving it with Ukraine means that Ukraine is paying the upkeep in subsidies/etc to the population, which would help keep it under Russian financial domination.

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This is a cogent explanation, but I'm afraid it cannot possibly be correct because at no point do you reference Obama's failures.

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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm

This is a cogent explanation, but I'm afraid it cannot possibly be correct because at no point do you reference Obama's failures.

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Obama supported the British in the 1770s-1780s.

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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm

This is a cogent explanation, but I'm afraid it cannot possibly be correct because at no point do you reference Obama's failures.

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Obama's failures are so failurirific that they don't even need mentioning yet the failures are burned into our minds anyway.

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Originally Posted by Atlanteax

Well, the Crimea is the most heavily pro-Russian province in the Ukraine.

So in a sense, Putin will do himself a disservice if Russia annexes Crimea, as it would only encourage the formation of pro-Western governments in Ukraine.

With Crimea in Ukraine, the Western 'faction' in Ukraine had 40-60% control at any given time in the past decade, now it will be more like 55-75%.

So if Putin wants to ensure a 'neutral' Ukraine, he will stop short of annexation and just continue the 'occupation' (ie that Russian strip of land in Moldavia and the break-away Georgian provinces). Nevermind that Crimea is 'poor' and leaving it with Ukraine means that Ukraine is paying the upkeep in subsidies/etc to the population, which would help keep it under Russian financial domination.

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Crimea is Russia's. No question.

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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm

This is a cogent explanation, but I'm afraid it cannot possibly be correct because at no point do you reference Obama's failures.

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It's sort of like how you don't have to cite sources for something that's common knowledge.

"The Earth is round."
"Water is wet."
"Obama is the antichrist and wants to ruin 'Merica."