Swift Boat Vets to set record straight

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Originally posted by Ilvane
John Kerry isn't afraid to stand up for what he believes in, even if it isn't a popular opinion.


-A

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Sorry.. there goes that last bit of respect I had for you. That quote will have to replace Solescape's quote.. because it's even more stupid.

The big hit Kerry always takes is due to his waffling. Even your own party is concerned about that.

At LEAST base your opinions with some sort of facts.. don't simply make shit up that clearly is the direct opposite of the truth.

I find it absolutely funny that if you are a Vietnam veteran and support Kerry.. you are a hero in the media. If you do not support him.. you are an idiot.

Too fucking funny.

You people DO realize that maybe they were there and that they simply want the truth to come out?

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Originally posted by pennywise

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So yeah .. politically motivated fabrications with little corroboration from vets who support someone who didn't gven show up for the war. Yep .. pretty pathetic indeed.

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So just let me make sure I’ve got your viewpoint on this matter straight. These men are outright liars who are solely motivated by politics in stating that Kerry misrepresented his military record. Is that correct?

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Considering that none of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth actually served with Kerry? The closest any others came was to be assigned to the same boat Kerry had skippered - AFTER Kerry had left Vietnam. Yeah .. I think these guys are full of crap.

Look -- this is a stupid point to argue for the Repubs. You can discuss all you want about Kerry's war record, but at least he HAS a war record.

-P

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Originally posted by Ilvane
Actually the men who are coming out with this ad, they were not on the Swiftboat with Kerry. In Fact, those who were with him did support him.

These are men that served "near" Kerry and were not directly involved in what happened with him. They are speculating that he didn't deserve his medals, when indeed he earned them. They are also upset that he protested the war.

Many of these men are actively giving money to the Republicans.

I ask you, is it believable?

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Please quote your source of this because I was actually looking to see if all these people in this commercial are Republicans. I had heard that there were just as many Democrats and Independants, but I cannot find a viable source.

Thanks.

I see the point. I was never sold on 'he is a great leader' to begin with though. Sorry I just don't get any vibe from him when I hear him speak, watch his mannerisms, nothing about him strikes me as someone who will be steadfast in a tough time.

Heh, I also gotta agree, that Ilvane quote was pretty bad. In fact I think I've seen her exact quote used sarcastically more then once. I don't know how you were serious with that.

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Originally posted by Prestius
Look -- this is a stupid point to argue for the Repubs. You can discuss all you want about Kerry's war record, but at least he HAS a war record.

-P

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Again.. did it bother you that Clinton didn't have a war record? Oh that's right.. it DIDN'T matter back then.. but now.. now it most certainly does!

How fucking convenient.

The waffle comments have been coming from the right, more than the left.

As for the Iraq war, he voted for it because he was given the same info we were that was false on the war.

He voted against body armor, because there were attachments to the bill that would have risen spending ridiculously.

He was for cuts in the military back in the 1990's back when we weren't as concerned about terrorism, and the world is a different place now.

The things that some Republicans bring are greatly out of context. I would bring up some of Bush's issues, but he didn't really have a whole lot of them. His governorship was interesting, though.

What I don't understand about you Parkbandit, is that you say you lose respect for me, because I am disagreeing with you? That doesn't make any sense. I don't agree with you, but I still respect your opinion. At least make it civil.

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Did you even read the article I posted on McCain, and what was said in it?

I guess not.

-A

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John Kerry

"Well, I voted for the war, before I voted against it!"

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Originally posted by Parkbandit
I find it absolutely funny that if you are a Vietnam veteran and support Kerry.. you are a hero in the media. If you do not support him.. you are an idiot.

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No PB .. I have no issue with a Vietnam Vet being against Kerry. There are a lot of issues that I can easily see both sides of and can see where many people wouldn't like Kerry for those reasons.

No .. It's the Vets who are bagging on Kerry's Military service when the candidate they are supporting, Bush, got a cushy assignment due to political connections basically hid out the war in Georgia partying and doing political work for his dad.

That's the hypocracy and stupidity.

-P