Trump Indicted in Georgia

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Originally Posted by time4fun

And you're not allowed to organize a violent and armed mob, rile them up and send them to attack Congress and your own Vice President in an effort to stop the election certification. And you're certainly not allowed to sit back for a few hours goading them on while everyone is hiding behind barricaded doors from a mob that's out for their blood. No one is allowed to do that.

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Im not yet up to speed on the latest Georgia indictment, but I’ll focus on what you said here about January 6th for just a moment. This is false and disingenuous. All the exhaustive evidence we have seen thus far doesn’t paint this picture. The rioters were almost entirely unarmed. Trump didn’t say to the crowd “grab your rifles, break into the Capitol, and hold Mike Pence hostage.” He tweeted to tell the rioters to go home. The burden of proof is to directly connect Trump as legally responsible for the riot. What specific evidence (not hearsay and not far fetched circumstantial) do you think points Trump to organize a violent mob and send them to attack the Capitol in the manner of which you described?

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Im not yet up to speed on the latest Georgia indictment, but I’ll focus on what you said here about January 6th for just a moment. This is false and disingenuous. All the exhaustive evidence we have seen thus far doesn’t paint this picture. The rioters were almost entirely unarmed. Trump didn’t say to the crowd “grab your rifles, break into the Capitol, and hold Mike Pence hostage.” He tweeted to tell the rioters to go home. The burden of proof is to directly connect Trump as legally responsible for the riot. What specific evidence (not hearsay and not far fetched circumstantial) do you think points Trump to organize a violent mob and send them to attack the Capitol in the manner of which you described?

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She's always full of shit like that. Don't expect much else.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Im not yet up to speed on the latest Georgia indictment, but I’ll focus on what you said here about January 6th for just a moment. This is false and disingenuous. All the exhaustive evidence we have seen thus far doesn’t paint this picture. The rioters were almost entirely unarmed. Trump didn’t say to the crowd “grab your rifles, break into the Capitol, and hold Mike Pence hostage.” He tweeted to tell the rioters to go home. The burden of proof is to directly connect Trump as legally responsible for the riot. What specific evidence (not hearsay and not far fetched circumstantial) do you think points Trump to organize a violent mob and send them to attack the Capitol in the manner of which you described?

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Originally Posted by Methais

She's always full of shit like that. Don't expect much else.

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Seriously... does anyone actually read the word vomit from T4F? I've never been able to get past a single sentence. I do enjoy the random bold and caps it throws in there, as if that's how you win a debate. The best part is this... as much as I dislike Biden and his policies, I don't go to bed hating the world like T4F. Imagine having the belief stuck in it's tiny little brain that DJT gives two shits about it, it's gay lover, it's illegal brown whatever, it's tranny buddy who beats up women in womens sports. No one gives a shit about it, and that's why it comes here and posts walls of text with random bold and caps and sometimes italics... because it's life is so empty this is the only place it gets any attention whatsoever.

Just be glad you aren't it.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Im not yet up to speed on the latest Georgia indictment, but I’ll focus on what you said here about January 6th for just a moment. This is false and disingenuous. All the exhaustive evidence we have seen thus far doesn’t paint this picture. The rioters were almost entirely unarmed. Trump didn’t say to the crowd “grab your rifles, break into the Capitol, and hold Mike Pence hostage.” He tweeted to tell the rioters to go home. The burden of proof is to directly connect Trump as legally responsible for the riot. What specific evidence (not hearsay and not far fetched circumstantial) do you think points Trump to organize a violent mob and send them to attack the Capitol in the manner of which you described?

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Well, he’s being indicted on it, which means the grand jury says the prosecutors have enough evidence to say otherwise.
Plenty of the people who stormed the Capitol, feel Trump told them to do it, so for you to say it’s false, maybe for you it is, but to the countless people who were there, say the opposite.

Trump told them to go home, what like 3-4 hours later? After they were already in the building, destroying shit? That’s like shooting someone in the leg, giving them a bandaid and saying sorry, makes it all better.

What about the countless lies trump told about the national guard? Or the reports from his inner circle that he was enjoying what was happening? Those paint a completely different story.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

Well, he’s being indicted on it, which means the grand jury says the prosecutors have enough evidence to say otherwise.
Plenty of the people who stormed the Capitol, feel trump told them to do it, so for you to say it’s false, maybe for you that’s true, but to the countless people who were there, say opposite.

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I say the opposite. Boom, I just broke your "argument". Please take a fucking debate class.

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

I say the opposite. Boom, I just broke your "argument". Please take a fucking debate class.

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Or you should learn your opinion doesn’t matter? Trump is fucked, but bury your head in the sand some more, and when he gets convicted, you can pull your head out, cry some more and bury it again.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

Well, he’s being indicted on it, which means the grand jury says the prosecutors have enough evidence to say otherwise.
Plenty of the people who stormed the Capitol, feel Trump told them to do it, so for you to say it’s false, maybe for you it is, but to the countless people who were there, say the opposite.

Trump told them to go home, what like 3-4 hours later? After they were already in the building, destroying shit? That’s like shooting someone in the leg, giving them a bandaid and saying sorry, makes it all better.

What about the countless lies trump told about the national guard? Or the reports from his inner circle that he was enjoying what was happening? Those paint a completely different story.

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Point taken. It’s really not difficult to get past a grand jury, but trial is a whole different matter.

In everything you are saying, I’m asking what can you point to as evidence that Trump specifically told the rioters to violently attack the Capitol & hold Mike Pence hostage so he can defraud the government? Trump had no obligation to tell them to go home, but that action doesn’t support this narrative that Trump planned all this & incited a riot. I heard so-and-so say that Trump said doesn’t count in court. I haven’t seen anything thus far that directly ties Trump to the charges. This is why I have said that particular case is weak-sauce.

Grand juries are not infallible. They are a group of citizens with varying education levels. A smooth talking prosecutor can convince them of things just as easily as a defense attorney can. If you feel that a grand jury is the end all be all of things, then what do you think of regular trial juries? Every person ever found guilty is 100% guilty?

I'm not trying to debate anything here, just putting that out there. A grand jury is made of your peers.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Grand juries are not infallible. They are a group of citizens with varying education levels. A smooth talking prosecutor can convince them of things just as easily as a defense attorney can. If you feel that a grand jury is the end all be all of things, then what do you think of regular trial juries? Every person ever found guilty is 100% guilty?

I'm not trying to debate anything here, just putting that out there. A grand jury is made of your peers.

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Well said.

A grand jury determines if there is probable cause to believe an individual may have committed a crime. A jury determines the defendant is guilty of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. The burden of proof between the two is massive.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

Well, he’s being indicted on it, which means the grand jury says the prosecutors have enough evidence to say otherwise.
Plenty of the people who stormed the Capitol, feel Trump told them to do it, so for you to say it’s false, maybe for you it is, but to the countless people who were there, say the opposite.

Trump told them to go home, what like 3-4 hours later? After they were already in the building, destroying shit? That’s like shooting someone in the leg, giving them a bandaid and saying sorry, makes it all better.

What about the countless lies trump told about the national guard? Or the reports from his inner circle that he was enjoying what was happening? Those paint a completely different story.

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The amount of evidence required to get an indictment vs. the amount of evidence required to get a conviction from a jury is like the difference between your testosterone levels and the testosterone levels of a normal man.

It is exponentially more.